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General Hobbs wrote:

I bought a reaper today....7 dollars + after tax. Holy Cow! What a price increase from a few years ago. I can't believe how they are gouging the customers. Their products are so overpriced. With a stupid business plan like that, raising prices with this economy, you'll see them go out of business soon.

Blood Angels Mephiston, Lord of Death $20.00

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Besides if a model costs $10, the manufacturer only gets $5, the rest goes to keep the store open. And that $5 has to pay for metal, transport, sculpting, advertising and overhead (rent, utilities etc). Metal is probably only $1 of that, so selling you an empty blister would only cut the price to $9.

And since Reaper mostly makes very specific metal models sales on each model is probably in the 100s or low 1000s.

So no, their prices are about right.

Oh KK you said it!!!! now we know what GW will do next year to turn a profit

M.

LunaHound wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

I bought a reaper today....7 dollars + after tax. Holy Cow! What a price increase from a few years ago. I can't believe how they are gouging the customers. Their products are so overpriced. With a stupid business plan like that, raising prices with this economy, you'll see them go out of business soon.

Blood Angels Mephiston, Lord of Death $20.00

That's Blood Angels Mephiston, Lord of Death, Copyright and Trademark 1995.

Apparently GW models age like fine wine.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

I bought a reaper today....7 dollars + after tax. Holy Cow! What a price increase from a few years ago. I can't believe how they are gouging the customers. Their products are so overpriced. With a stupid business plan like that, raising prices with this economy, you'll see them go out of business soon.

Blood Angels Mephiston, Lord of Death $20.00

That's Blood Angels Mephiston, Lord of Death, Copyright and Trademark 1995.

Apparently GW models age like fine wine.

Just look at those sculpted pecks and that six pack, still holds up well to me.

Hard to believe I paid like 9 bucks for that Meph model back in the day, and now it's 20. Unreal.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

I bought a reaper today....7 dollars + after tax. Holy Cow! What a price increase from a few years ago. I can't believe how they are gouging the customers. Their products are so overpriced. With a stupid business plan like that, raising prices with this economy, you'll see them go out of business soon.

Um you do know GW metals are $12-17 each right?

Besides if a model costs $10, the manufacturer only gets $5, the rest goes to keep the store open. And that $5 has to pay for metal, transport, sculpting, advertising and overhead (rent, utilities etc). Metal is probably only $1 of that, so selling you an empty blister would only cut the price to $9.

And since Reaper mostly makes very specific metal models sales on each model is probably in the 100s or low 1000s.

So no, their prices are about right.

The metal doesn't cost quite that much for a fig that small. I'd guess about $0.75.

grizgrin wrote:Hard to believe I paid like 9 bucks for that Meph model back in the day, and now it's 20. Unreal.

If you bought Catachans back in 1999 for $22 for 20, could now sell them $25 for 10.

So taht's what, a 10% return per year? Not great but not too shabby.

Um, so what is this warlord game? I checked the website and I only see army books for 2 factions. What about the others?

I wonder if anyone even plays it. A game that's directly competing against Warhammer Fantasy (which isn't doing so well itself) which uses only metal models? I don't see how it could be anything but insanely expensive.

You don´t need the same amount of figures to play so that balances it.

M.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder if anyone even plays it. A game that's directly competing against Warhammer Fantasy (which isn't doing so well itself) which uses only metal models? I don't see how it could be anything but insanely expensive.

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that a lot of people buy Reaper minis to use in other wargaming systems, as well as RPGs like D&D. A few serious Warlord players are probably just a bonus. I could be wrong though, maybe there's a bunch of Warlord players hiding out somewhere.

Hordini wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder if anyone even plays it. A game that's directly competing against Warhammer Fantasy (which isn't doing so well itself) which uses only metal models? I don't see how it could be anything but insanely expensive.

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that a lot of people buy Reaper minis to use in other wargaming systems, as well as RPGs like D&D. A few serious Warlord players are probably just a bonus. I could be wrong though, maybe there's a bunch of Warlord players hiding out somewhere.

they lurk in the shadows, plotting the downfall of gw and all that opposes the rise of Warlords










but yea, i've picked up reaper mini's in the past to use for DnD, i like their stuff

Cool IG heroes for Space Hulk:


http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Intergalactic

Might buy (and replace weapons with GW ones) if they release more in the same range.

Reaper is really the heritor of Ral Partha: The largest and most diverse source of generic tabletop RPG miniatures. When you need to represent something specific in an adventure, buy Reaper. Kobolds to liche-lords to Turkish anarchist bombers. They specifically court the generic market, and do it well.

LunaHound wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lol Luna, is that a Dune reference? Nice.

Yes i thought cape + blue eyes looked like freemans

Which reminds me...does anyone have an idea where I can get a Gordon Freeman in 28mm.

I am as usually very impressed by the creativity of Reaper's products alone. I want that Crime Boss, but I have no idea for what.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Um, so what is this warlord game? I checked the website and I only see army books for 2 factions. What about the others?

This is what I get for being lazy. I was planning on doing a short blurb on the impending release of Warlord 2nd edition, but things happened and I never got around to it.

Ignore the army books that you see on Reaper's site - they are completely unuseable now, except from a fluff standpoint. Reaper is about to release the 2nd edition of Warlord on July 27th. It is a skirmish-level game, and does not require the number of miniatures that you would need for a Warhammer army of the same point value (unless you do a grand Reven army - their Orcs and Gobbos - then you're talking a good number of models). For example, my 1000 point Dwarf army has around 23 miniatures in it - it's not a terribly fine tuned army, but it's all infantry with about three high point leader types.

The new rulebook retails for $19.95, is softcover and B&W inside (not too happy about the lack of color myself, but Reaper said that decision was made to keep the cost down, which I AM happy about). It contains full rules (of course) and the army lists for 10 factions. These are complete, permanent lists which will hopefully not go through the constant tinkering like they did in the past edition - Gus Landt, this version's writer, says that changes will be made "over (his) dead body".

The game uses Reaper's "Rage" game system - in a nutshell, it is d10 based with each model having one or more damage tracks. As a model takes in-game damage, it's stats degrade (which is similar to a clicky game without the clicky base, I just realized). Turns are taken by a mostly random unit activation sequence using the draw of cards, or different colored dice from a bag. This draw can be affected by certain models, such as adding extra cards in your favor or allowing you to put one of your opponent's cards "on hold" while you draw the next in the hopes that it will be one of yours. Most model types have some sort of Special Abilities that they can use (similar to USRs). These SAs can affect the model's fighting abilities, magic use/resistance, movment, even the turn sequence are previously noted. Personally, I loves me some Tough/#, which gives me a chance of saving a model with that SA from death.

Unfortunately, the game bogs down a bit at higher point values, but folks around here usually don't play at that level (3,000+ or so).

Don't like the official Reaper Warlord models? Reaper policy allows Warlord players to proxy any model from their lines (Dark Heaven, Legendary Encounters and the like). Of course, no one is stopping you from using ANY model in your collection, as long as it's not at an official Reaper event. My Warhammer Orcs moonlight as a Reven army at home while I teach my kids the rules.

So there's my blurb. Sorry if it's not too concise as I'm furtively typing it up at work. Hopefully, I wrote it as unbiased as possible as I am quite the Reaper fanboy - I live just 30 minutes from them and was recently invited to join the playtester group for future Warlord expansions. I have always liked Warlord over WHFB - then again, I tend to like skirmish games, period.

Still interested? Go to the Reaper web site forums.
Not interested? Three words for you - Dwarf Bear Cavalry. Oh yes, I love them so!

Agamemnon2 wrote:I wonder if anyone even plays it. A game that's directly competing against Warhammer Fantasy (which isn't doing so well itself) which uses only metal models? I don't see how it could be anything but insanely expensive.

Teh warlord models are sweet for other things. Alot of those reptus models have become dragonborn for my D&D game...

I have to go on with the chorus of people singing the praises of Reaper for RPGs. I've gone with them for modern-day games, though they are also one of the only companies that make minis for that context that aren't exclusively military.