SatonHimSelf wrote:I am not familiar with dakka i was just introduced to it by a friend not to long ago. I was in media and I have to say that i agree with tony on alot of the things he is saying and what he was saying when he was in media. Mike did on more than one occasion use profaine language in front of me when adressing questions. I also do not believe the situation with tony was handled properly. Mike seemeed to be the instigator and I do not believe he would have acted that way if it where a different setting. I wittnessed him make three bad calls in favor of the other guy that tony was playing and it was not until the thrid when tony lost his temper. I in no way shape or form agree with Tonys behavior but i do understand his frustration, although it should have been hadled totaly different by Tony. After the situation reached a boling point Mike was still instigating i do not believe that was right on his part. Here is what happen in the three situations that frustrated Tony. I witnessed all three and was listening the whole time, to aviod being dragged in i am not going to state my name or where i was.

First bad ruling in my opinon was as follows. Tony deployed a battle wagon behing a buliding with nobz and Gazghull in it. Space marine player deploys nothing. First turn space marine palyer moves everthing on, he starts to shoot search lights at the battle wagon. First one misses, second one misses, both clearly could see the battle wagon as they were on the side were there was no buliding. Then comes to the controversy space marine player shoots a search light from a dreadnought at the battle wagon, The dreadnought is right in front of the building but slightly on a hill, he hits with the search light. Tony immediatly contests and states the dread not cant see the battle wagon. The space marine player says it can see. They go back and forth for a minute, tony continues to say roll a d6 which i think was completly fair. Space marine player says no, judge gets called they get a laser pointer at check line of sight the laser hit the very tip of the battle wagon maybe one centimeter to play with Tonys contention is the laser pointer is more than that one centimeter away from where the search light is there for the searchlight cant see it, all along he is saying lets just roll a d6 guys. Hopefully i have done a good job decribing the situation it was clearly a close call and would and should have been d6 in anyother game in another place in the world. Judge does not make is own ruling, instead looks at the space marine player ands says do you want to d6 it? Space marine answers with the obvious answer and says no. Mike then says, well it can see and that is my ruling he could have very easily said roll a d6 and end it guys. Tony did not argue or talk back or say anything thing rude. He accepted the ruling and moved on. In my opinon and this is only my opinon the judge pitted the two players against eachother buy asking for the space marine players opinon, when he should have just maid a ruling. Second this is also my opinon It was indeed a very close call that should have been decied on a dice roll.

Second ruling had to do with multiple unit combat. Space marine player charges a unit of kammandos who are locked in combat with two or three vanguard veterans with a unit of scouts. Tony says he is striking the scouts with the remander of his attacks that can not be allocated to the vanguard veterans. Space marine player says that Tony can not attack the scouts and must allocate his attacks to the veterans, Tony says what about the kammandos that cant strike the veterens. space marine player states they may not attack. Judge is called, Tony presents the judge with the faq from gamesworkshop and states his side. Judge rules that all attacks must be made against the vanguard veterens and only the vanguard veterens and the other models may not attack. This is when i started to notice tonys frustration. I also was frustarted with the ruling as i know it to be wrong. This is alos when tony in my opinon started to act inappropriate and get loud, which if he didnt was totaly justified in being upset.

Third and finaly ruling before the explosion and expulsion of Tony. Before the start of the fifth turn Tony states there is not enough time to continue and that the game sound end. As it sits at this moment the game is by all means a draw. Space marine player says no and starts to take his turn. At the end of his turn Time is called, so it is top of turn five and because and only because of that turn the space marine player now has a unit with one space marine very close to the objective, within three or four inches. Tony says time was called i told you there would not be enough time to finish and it does not matter weather or not the space marine is at the objective or not he should not have taken that turn and therefore the game is over as it was at the end of turn four and is a draw. What happens next is what I was amazed by the judge comes over of course and says take another thgirty minutes and finish your turn Tony. Tony knowing he could not win in thirty minutes says no the games are two and a half hours not three hours I told him there was not enough time and the space maine player went aheaed with his turn understing that if time was called before the turn was over that the game would end in a draw. The space marine player now seeing at the end of his turn he is now possible holding an objective says that his turn counts and for tony to finish his turn. This is where part of the controversy is tony says to the space marine player your not within three inches of the objective anyway so it doest matter. The distance is mesured and it is found that the space marine is in fact within three inches of the objective. Tony then states that he cheated and moved the objetive or the space marine after they had started to argue. Judge comes over tells tony that his turn doesnt matter because he cant get anything on an objetive and rules that the space marine is within three inches of the objective. Tony proceeds to blow up cuss and threaten the judge and the space marine player and is ultimatly thrown out. I do not believe that he should have acted in this way. I do not condone that type of behavior under any sircumstance. I believe he should have found a more approprate way to deal with the situation, before he did that I had already made my mined up that i was going to call gamesworkshop and talk to them about the way i felt about the whole thing but affter that i didnt know so i thought i would let you guys know the truth about what happen.

Green Blow Fly wrote:I thought the Ard Boyz had a rule about no whining. I certainly have seen a lot of whining the past few days.

Mannahnin wrote:If it doesn't improve to the point of being fun, then vote with your feet.