Nudity on miniatures...

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**Ridcully**

TV networks should either show full frontal nudity at any time of the day or submit to having everyone wear a burkha 24/7. Anything in between is just ridiculous.

**starbomber109**

I agree with the "There is a time and a place for boobies"

Half naked Daemonette? Ok, fine. Some Wyhces with a 'wardrobe malfunction' Ok, that works. Soul Grinder naughty bitz, errrrr, probably not....Sister of battle w/o armor, just no.

And be aware of the (im)maturity of your club as well, and you should be fine

**malfred**

What about nudity WITH minis, eh? EH?

**fynn**

A mate of mine used to do 25mm historic battles, and he used ancent celts. He went to a tourny unpacked his army and was asked withing miniutes to pack his army, leave the building and was then banned. all becourse his army contained true celt beserkers wearing nothing but woad and there weapons, and he was accussed of being a dirty old perv for daring to bring such filth to the tourny.
damm idiots

**chris_valera**

Voted for, "It's art."

Amazing how everyone here is okay with nudity, yet this forum doesn't allow the posting of photos or profanity?...

Also, it's worth noting Victoria Lamb's website says she finds some of the figures produced by some companies distateful. Can't say I blame her...

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

**Lint**

Here's the thing. GW invites us to create our own world within their's. We are encouraged to make our own histories, our own stories, basically use our imagination to the fullest when it comes to creating our armies. But it's a double standard when you allow any display of violence you can imagine, bloody dismemberment, melting rotting flesh, decapitation, whatever, but you draw an arbitrary line when it comes to sexuality. (I thought you Brits kicked out the puritans a long time ago?)
The point is, wether you consider painting miniatures "art" or not, it is designed by GW to be entirely subjective to the player how he/she wants to interpret and display his or her army. So giving players that freedom, and then pulling a carrot/stick trick on them is a little ridiculous. Same goes for other players who are "offended" by your explicit army. What if I were offended by the blatant violence, and bloody weapons you have painted on your berzerks? Could I be TFG and ask to have you banned from the store? Yeah, not likely.

**Tauzor**

The Green Git wrote:As long as it's not truly obscene (like depicting sexual acts or overt arousal, shall we say) then nudity in and of itself is not offensive to me. I say keep it tasteful but that's about it.

I want the obscene

**GeneralX**

hahahaha

"my demon beating himself RULES AS WRITTEN"

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

Creating life is horrible, but killing is A-Okay.

Edit: To add a little more, it does annoy me when my only option in some cases is an overtly sexualized model. Some of my projects will have lots of sluttty models, but others will have none because of what they are. Lucky for me, it's easier to GS clothes on a model than off.

**gretar**

If you dont whant the nudity for your children , dont buy them Slaneesh Models .. simple !!

And yes , i voted Nudity is art , sex is aswell ... a very good , sweaty , satisfying art ...

**oadie**

I voted for "other", due to my personal considerations of practicality. In general, I'd say it's your army, do whatever you want with it. I don't, however, necessarily agree that it's all art (luckily for all of you, I'm not going to go on a lengthy "what is art?" rant), nor would I necessarily make an explicit army for myself.

That's not to say I would never do so, on principal, merely that (at this point, at least, not having a regular gaming group whose tolerance for such things is established) I'd like to be able to field my army at a buddy's house as well as at any tournament/FLGS table/etc. where there will be kids present. Do I think seeing a Daemonette's nipples will irreparably corrupt the kids? No. But I do know that I'd rather take my entire collection of needle files to my eye socket than be around when their incensed, uppity parents come around with the torches and pitchforks. It may not even be for the kids' sakes. Some people would be incensed in their own right. I may feel that they should be shaken up a bit for their betterment (sadly, the most uppity are usually also the most stubborn and belligerent), but if it would cost me the ability to play there, it's not worth it to me.

That said, if you want to make a full legion of the Emperor's Phallus (I'm thinking scorched static grass on the base, red helmets, pink armor - with one vital and vulnerable area left intentionally exposed) for the silly factor, go for it. If you want to throw some Silent Hill-level explicit, gruesome torture (including sexual acts) of nude figures into a Daemon army for the grotesque factor, I totally understand. I just wouldn't field it in my army if I want to be able to play it wherever I want, without the hassle.

**Orkeosaurus**

Lint wrote:Either that or simply pushing your own standards of "acceptable" and "unacceptable" nudity.

People aren't allowed to form opinions based on their own standards?

**jimmyrice**

i dont think the nude daemon unit look very good but that just my opinion so i would never have them but i dont have a problem if others do, i would never have tau or necrons but i dont want them banned

**scarab5**

The Green Git wrote:As long as it's not truly obscene (like depicting sexual acts or overt arousal, shall we say) then nudity in and of itself is not offensive to me. I say keep it tasteful but that's about it.

Sex being obscene is an opinion. Held by many but that doesn't mean it isn't a twisted self loathing causing opinion non the less...

**Sgt. Salt**

I was raised surrounded by all kinds of art and I consider the human form to be a beautiful thing. As long as it's done in a tastful and mature manner I don't mind it at all.

I think carefully sculpting penises onto your sphess mureenze is just ridiculous and means that you are just the kind of person I would never talk to for an extended period of time.

**Kyley**

The main point I would make is no genitals, it's just wierd, if you have a soulgrinder pummeling grots you feel great about it...iif those grots are better endowed than your soulgrinder you will feel pretty bad about it.

Second point...nothing sexual, daemonettes with six knockers are great, I'm a big fan there of...some harlet rubbing pedro cantors face in her bristols is just out of place and unncessary.

And on the kids and FLGS thing, fine don't display them, people look closly at them, but just playing a game when theres one unit...nobody's gonna notice.

BTW this does not apply to sisters of batttle, If ever there'sa model of one of those getting her tits out I WILL buy it, hint hint GW

and speaking of realms of acceptability, did anyone see that slaaneshi army where the cannon were dildo's, that made me laugh

EDIT

eople also question whether sex is obscene, how can sex be obscene it's creating life and that's beautiful, but sex is obscene, it's a private and intaimate thing (or at least it should be, I think, I'm not sure, I'm glad it isn't, but in some ways sadened) so showing it especially as these are WARgames, not foreplay, is innapropriate, however nudity is seperate frome that, one last thing, regardless of how much nudity will I accept, but how much do I WANT, slaaneshii daemons, suure, it's what their all about but I dont have any reason to see marneus calgars dong swinging aroung whilst he's pummeling 'nids...might get bitten by a ripper (ouch)

**Oldgrue**

Mistress of minis wrote:
If the blue dude had been a blue chick the whining would have been minimal.

I chalk it up to envy. How many folks would want their hardware plastered on a fifty foot screen? *I*'m not that confident.

Still, on minis, nude doesn't have to equal porn.

**Bla_Ze**

The more tits, vaginas and penises you can cram onto a model the better!

If you dont want it, don't buy it.
If you dont like it, don't look at it.

And concerning this BS that children should not see miniatyre titties is ridiculous

**Karoline Dianne**

I personally don't mind nudity at all in art or miniatures. I do, however, prefer things to be at least somewhat tasteful, or make sense.

Exposed breasts are perfectly fine, I really don't understand the problems people have with them. But at the same time, needlessly making all of your miniatures endowed and topless is a little much. If you're playing Slaanesh, Dark Elves, or some kind of woodland-elfy-amazon army, then fine. However, your sisters of battle should be fully clothed/armored... because that's what they do... they wear armor.

Genitalia on the other hand, is a bit more iffy. In some circumstances, it can be acceptable. Okay, your succubus isn't wearing pants... All right, your minotaur forgot his loincloth... So long as it's tasteful and just 'there', it should be fine. However, blatantly splaying such things can be a little upsetting. I don't want to see your Daemonettes spreading their legs out to the world, and I don't want to see your 'Conan the Barbarian's' massive member erected like the regimental flag.

So long as the model isn't pornographic or completely unnecessary, It should be fine. After all, this is a miniature wargame we're playing. If you're really that desperate to see explicit nudity and erotic models, stay at home and look up some smut on the internet...

Just don't bring your fantasies to the gaming stores...

**FITZZ**

Severed heads,piles of skulls,demons,genocide,plague...hey that's all just dandy,but >GASP< a pair of breast...>GASP< a penis..OH Lawdz no!!
C'mon,we are talking about little plastic/metal minis,if an adult wants to buy and paint those sorts of minis,then he/she should be able to.

**aurelion**

It is kinda funny, I notice people complaing about the old 'nettes, but not a word about Slayers and Marauders or even Garagrim Ironfist, a model that is more nude then any of the 'nettes.

I dont mind nude models, as long as it is tastefull

**Wrexasaur**

FITZZ wrote: Severed heads,piles of skulls,demons,genocide,plague...hey that's all just dandy,but >GASP< a pair of breast...>GASP< a penis..OH Lawdz no!!
C'mon,we are talking about little plastic/metal minis,if an adult wants to buy and paint those sorts of minis,then he/she should be able to.

The problem here could be that pretty much anyone can buy them, including kids. Putting an age limit on such items would be ludicrous to say the least regardless of any light-weight pr0n they might be packing.

In any case GW is most likely moving to get rid of anything besides the imperium where nudity is punishable by death unless you are packing torturesque design. BOOBIES ARE BAD

... what a joke.

**FITZZ**

@ Wrexasaur
I understand your point ,however I can see a few sulotions to the children/nude mini question.
First,nude minis could be a "behind the counter" item ,if your not age appropiate,you don't get to buy them.
second,parenting, I myself have two children,they can't watch porn,though my girlfriend and I have some,they can't listen to Dimmu Borgir,although I do, and at the ages they are now,they wouldn't be allowed to have a"naughty" mini, although,when they get older (teenagers) I don't think I would have a big problem with it.
And incedently,I think you may be right about GW,soon all breast will be outlawed,or encased in power armour.

**Morgrim**

I don't have a problem if it is tastefully done.

My definition of 'tasteful' is whether it is appropriate for the situation or not. As a general rule, erect and oversized penises plastered all over models mean the person with that army is immature. It's no different to those school children who scrawl genitals (and often hitler mustache and glasses) all over the photos in magazines. Sure, glad you're entertained, sorry but I don't quite see the point.

If it is fitting, go for it. One of my male wyches is not wearing any pants, and you can see his bum. Do I think that is inappropriate? No. Can you see his genitals? No, he's got a bit of lovely scaly loincloth/choker/cloak thing covering it. I feel that if many males will wear protective boxes over their genitals while playing sports, then they're idiots not to do the same in a combat zone. My wyches are the only ones not wearing full armour, because it fits them not to (and their 'armour save' fits this, annoyingly). Granted, many of my male wyches have gratuitously bare chests, but I'm willing to admit a personal fondness of such. And I don't want the guys wearing more clothes than the girls.

I think people get too caught up in the 'sex' idea of Slaanesh, too. He is about excess and hedonism and sensations; if the choice between straightforwards missionary sex and completely clothed sensation play came up, any slaaneshi worshiper would avoid the sex entirely. And, er... can anyone actually give me a reason that a soulgrinder needs a penis? I thought that they were independent of the chaos gods, and as they can't reproduce sexually they don't exactly need them. I thought demonettes had breasts mostly to cause emotional reactions in the (mostly human male) enemies that they fought?

**Wrexasaur**

FITZZ wrote: @ Wrexasaur
I understand your point ,however I can see a few sulotions to the children/nude mini question.
First,nude minis could be a "behind the counter" item ,if your not age appropiate,you don't get to buy them.
second,parenting, I myself have two children,they can't watch porn,though my girlfriend and I have some,they can't listen to Dimmu Borgir,although I do, and at the ages they are now,they wouldn't be allowed to have a"naughty" mini, although,when they get older (teenagers) I don't think I would have a big problem with it.
And incedently,I think you may be right about GW,soon all breast will be outlawed,or encased in power armour.

You sound like a responsible parent that knows how to set boundaries for your kids. I do think that in general the buck stops with the parent, but in some cases I do think that this stuff is a bit too accessible. I do not have kids, but I cannot imagine being all that mad if they came home with a dirty mini, even actual pr0n would hardly set me aflame in a parental fit of rage

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The main responsibility does lay with GW however, but that really comes down to a moral vs. economic argument in the full spectrum. I really think that any parent that sees a real problem with some of the dirtier minis (to date I have not seen a mini that offended me... perhaps sickened me a bit though) even existing is a bit strange. Darknight started this subject, and I am still unsure what he was specifically talking about. A Jessica Rabbit figurine is hardly realistic, but it still conveys that same sort of sexual energy. The Brat figurine that was posted at some point is the same type of thing, they are very cool designs and IMHO quite harmless to a kids psyche.

**Hordini**

It's art. Anything goes. If I don't like it, I won't buy it.

**Emperors Faithful**

aurelion wrote:It is kinda funny, I notice people complaing about the old 'nettes, but not a word about Slayers and Marauders or even Garagrim Ironfist, a model that is more nude then any of the 'nettes.

I dont mind nude models, as long as it is tastefull

I don't think people looked at the nudity of a slayer. Most people would be too busy laughing at the notion of a crazy, axe-wielding, naked, red-haired midget. As for the maruaders and Ironfist, haven't seen 'em.

There is a time and place for sexualy explicit material. I don't think wargamming is it. What is the purpose of slaneesh deamonettes modeled to look like they're having a field-f***? There's no point, other than so some fat guy can fap over them. Giant Penises on Soul Grinders? No thank you. Slaanesh models can look alluring and attractive (The current models are pretty much fine), but that you'd go out of your way and convert them to be THAT explicit is kind of disturbing.

**Lint**

Orkeosaurus wrote:
Lint wrote:Either that or simply pushing your own standards of "acceptable" and "unacceptable" nudity.

People aren't allowed to form opinions based on their own standards?

Mostly I was in a pissy mood yesterday. I honestly don't care about nudity on models. But I absolutely hate censorship.

**aurelion**

@Emperors Faithful....

I agree with you. Sexauly explicit material doesnt belong in wargameing. Nudity can be discussed depending on the model. A naked Slayer gives the same statement as the naked celt warriors "we dont fear death".

**Morgrim**

aurelion wrote:@Emperors Faithful....

I agree with you. Sexauly explicit material doesnt belong in wargameing. Nudity can be discussed depending on the model. A naked Slayer gives the same statement as the naked celt warriors "we dont fear death".

And we have cool hair.