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Alcohol! Also food, smoking, more alcohol, and I am slightly snobby, but mostly about alcohol. I also spend more time reading and on my computer than I do with real people...yay for the internet!

Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

I know about ten dealers and about twenty people who will share weed with me

Good thing about being an ex-stoner.

Its incredibly easy to sell weed and not get caught. If the dealers round you are getting caught there gak.

Lord-Loss wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Its incredibly easy to sell weed and not get caught.

It is incredibly in YOUR AREA. Maybe not in her area. Weed prices, laws, and strictness of police vary from state to state, in my home state I would pay wildly varying prices depending on what area of the state I was in, in the capital it was like $50 for 1/8, but in my home city, an hour's drive away, it was $80, and we're on the low end of harshness for pot laws. Maybe in cali or NY it would be easy to sell and not get caught, but here, in this redneck state, it is much harder. Don't judge based on what you experienced in your state.

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Trust me on this: stay the hell away from the stuff. Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed. I've known people who've done extremely stupid things (i.e. drowning and falling down stairs) while stoned. My dad did for 24 years and really fethed him over. He explained to me once how he thought he wouldn't get addicted, but that proved to be a bad assumption. That was about a year before he died (not from doing pot though, but it certainly helped).

Weed can feth you up Big time. But it seems like most people have atleast tried it some times in there lifes. But there are worse drugs out there.

We could start a whole new thread on weed. I'm in the camp of people who believe the doctors and scientists when they say that weed is not addictive. And as an ex user I can say from experience that weed is the most harmless of drugs. Caffeine is a thousand times more addictive, and imho much worse for your body (in soda form) than weed.

I respect your experience with your father, and I know some burn outs who's lives are pretty frakked up. But I think it has more to do with their weak and lazy personalities being enhanced by pot, rather than weed causing some drastic change in personality.


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Cheese Elemental wrote: Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed.

Would you seriously recommend getting drunk instead of smoking pot? Nobody ever got stoned and went on a violent rampage. Thousands of people don't die every year because they smoked a joint and drove a car. New studies have been released that show being high can actually increase drivers attention to the road. I will have to search for the links, but I can prvide them if you'd like to see.

As for porn, well my MR. was never sore after a night of bong-ripping.

Sorry, I tend to get a bit angry when talking about drugs. To be honest, my main problem with it is that I can't understand why on earth you'd do it for pleasure. There are far more pleasurable things to do that are also less harmful. If you're stressed, then there are better ways of relaxing. Weed is the loser's way out.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Sorry, I tend to get a bit angry when talking about drugs. To be honest, my main problem with it is that I can't understand why on earth you'd do it for pleasure. There are far more pleasurable things to do that are also less harmful. If you're stressed, then there are better ways of relaxing. Weed is the loser's way out.

Im guessing you've never been stoned? Its hard to understand into you tried it and the exprience can help you make the mistake of doing weed for a short period in a worse time in your life.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:Not really a vice, but a quest for one. I have been trying for months to score some weed. Just a little bit, not a lot. But all the dealers by me have been arrested. And none of the stoners I know will share.

Trust me on this: stay the hell away from the stuff. Watch porn, get drunk, but don't go near weed. I've known people who've done extremely stupid things (i.e. drowning and falling down stairs) while stoned. My dad did for 24 years and really fethed him over. He explained to me once how he thought he wouldn't get addicted, but that proved to be a bad assumption. That was about a year before he died (not from doing pot though, but it certainly helped).

I used to live in a crack house type joint where I'd have to step over the bodies of stoners and drunks to get to my apartment. This was during a low point in my life when I needed a cheap rent, but I didn't do drugs or drink. For that reason I was thought to be some kind of undercover cop, so no one really screwed with me, but I saw enough living while there a few months to know that more than a few of the people in that place started out from fairly well to do families.
People would be brewing meth in their apartments and there was always somebody having a crack party. It was a fairly messed up crew and I wouldn't be surprised to find out more than half are dead now. I found from talking with the people there a lot of them started out on weed and got into progressively harder stuff as time went on either using in for a penny logic or looking to try something stronger.

I used to have a problem with booze. But after my kidney failure I weaned myself down to the occasional dark beer.

Right now is is procrastination. I have a plan to so something about it later.

I have also seen some good friends and family have their lives destroyed by meth. It's a horrible drug, and to see the addiction completely take over their lives was one of the hardest things.
I would say that smoking weed does not automatically make you want to try harder stuff, more so that the people and places you go to score/smoke pot will also have something else available. And if you are already inclined to "expand" your mind and try illicit drugs then you will do so, and weed has less to do with it than your own inclinations.

@cheese I agree with you, it can be a waste of time, and when you count in the possibility of losing a job over a popped piss test it's not worth the effort. I smoked every day for 2 years, until I realized that I had better sh*t to do than be high all day. I don't hold anything against smokers, but I do expect them to have their lives together before they go and spend money on the herb.

I do understand why teenagers would try it, as that's part of experimenting with new things, same as drinking and whatnot (except for the people who get hooked). I tried a cigarette once, and couldn't handle how bad it tasted, and I tried weed once, but I felt horrible afterwards (both physically and mentally) and I wanted to kick myself for being that stupid.

I will just add to this that there are many people who use drugs illegal in this country who hold down jobs, relationships and pay mortgages. I know a large number of drug users and I think perhaps there are two things worth mentioning, they do so in moderation and they do so discreetly. The idea that anyone smoking a joint will descend into junkie hell is the sort of ill educated 'reefer madness' bullcrap we all laugh about on this site when used in reference to DnD and satanism/teen suicide.
Also Folks please don't hang yourselves out to dry by continuing to discuss your personal habits or get into further epeenage with talks about who you know or how much you take, it makes you sound immature and you're going to do the site's rep harm.
So keep the discussion to hypotheticals...remember your IP address can be traced.

Moderation, Education and Discretion.

Before you can say Moms Against Dakka there will be some crank saying this site is encouraging drug use and Yakface is some kind of cyberdealer...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I will just add to this that there are many people who use drugs illegal in this country who hold down jobs, relationships and pay mortgages. I know a large number of drug users and I think perhaps there are two things worth mentioning, they do so in moderation and they do so discreetly. The idea that anyone smoking a joint will descend into junkie hell is the sort of ill educated 'reefer madness' bullcrap we all laugh about on this site when used in reference to DnD and satanism/teen suicide.
Also Folks please don't hang yourselves out to dry by continuing to discuss your personal habits or get into further epeenage with talks about who you know or how much you take, it makes you sound immature and you're going to do the site's rep harm.
So keep the discussion to hypotheticals...remember your IP address can be traced.

Moderation, Education and Discretion.

Before you can say Moms Against Dakka there will be some crank saying this site is encouraging drug use and Yakface is some kind of cyberdealer...

Do they do hard stuff like cocaine and heroin, which are highly addictive and have serious side-effects? It's well-known that weed is relatively harmless, but it's still not good for you and can often lead to harder substances.

Heroin and cocaine are not on the same scale really, heroin and crack cocaine are. There is a sizeable degree of separation between cocaine and crack cocaine. Cocaine use for the drinking and clubbing set is actually incredibly high.

See, if I find out about someone doing weed (usually someone at school), I'm not going to go apeshit on them. With luck they won't get hooked on the stuff since the dangers of drugs are more obvious nowadays, but if I hear anything about crack or heroin, or someone actually growing weed, then that's a 000-call and a visit from the police, sorry.

Cheese Elemental wrote:See, if I find out about someone doing weed (usually someone at school), I'm not going to go apeshit on them. With luck they won't get hooked on the stuff since the dangers of drugs are more obvious nowadays, but if I hear anything about crack or heroin, or someone actually growing weed, then that's a 000-call and a visit from the police, sorry.

That's the age difference Cheesy, you're talking about kids at school (no offence). I'd be concerned about their use of weed or alcohol and extremely concerned about them using cocaine and yes, I'd probably contact social services to intervene for all three.

Now what I am saying is, that I know people in my life, folks from mid 20s to early 40s, who use recreational drugs, they don't do it all the time and they are already;

Adults
Moderate/calm personalities
Educated on what they are doing and the effects
In a situation with friends who they can trust
Know their supplier
Do not use large amounts

So, yes weed can be potentially very harmful, cocaine certainly, but as someone who grew up in a house with an alcoholic and abusive parent, I can tell you so can booze and we sell that stuff over the counters of supermarkets, yet society hasn't collapsed in on it's self. All these things are toxins, they are poisons. So putting them into your body is dangerous, putting them into your body in larger amounts is very dangerous.

So, again I'll say this, Education, moderation and discretion. The Just Say No campaign was not successful here, people will always look to 'get high' and shrug off their cares and woes, for as long as people have cares and woes. If we understand that this is going to happen, then it is better to say this; be with people who you trust, don't do too much, don't do too often and be careful who you get things from.

I remember the "Just Say No" campaign, what a joke. Even in elementary school I remember thinking to myself that I was definitely going to at least try drugs to see what all the fuss was about. Same thing with sex, when all my friends in church were wearing "promise rings" and feeling guilty about masturbation I already knew what I was going to do, and didn't bother making a false promise. I suppose it goes without saying that I am a fairly strong agnostic now.

@MeanGreen you hit it on the head, I couldn't agree more. Some people can handle moderation, and some people are complete numbskulls who frakk it up for everybody.

Call 999 if there doing cocaine or Heroine? Yes
Doing weed? No
Growing weed? No, I dont want to get my head kicked in.

All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

Cane wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

I know enough people from TJ and other border Mexican towns to have learned that there are enough drugs coming in from Mexico to make your point moot. What percentage of the whole is "most" anyway?
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

Relapse wrote:
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

In the case of my friend who smokes the most, it's a habit that supports his elderly neighbour's attic 'plantation', the only violence that guy gets up to is shouting at the evening news...

Relapse wrote:

Cane wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

Somewhat misleading since most drugs bought in the US of A are made by your fellow Americans at the comfort of their own homes.

I know enough people from TJ and other border Mexican towns to have learned that there are enough drugs coming in from Mexico to make your point moot. What percentage of the whole is "most" anyway?
As far as the home brewed angle goes, how about the killings that go on between gangs over selling of drugs? It's a habit that still supports murder.

Here are my facts/numbers/argument feel free to present yours if you want to continue:

According to US Government estimates domestic marijuana production has increased ten
fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric
tons (22 million pounds) in 2006. The ongoing proliferation of marijuana cultivation places it
beyond the scope of law enforcement capabilities to control and reduce the availability of
marijuana to teenagers and young children under existing public policy.
Using conservative price estimates derived from federal surveys, domestic marijuana
production has a value of $35.8 billion, more than corn and wheat combined, easily making it
America’s largest and most lucrative cash crop.
Based on production estimates derived from marijuana eradication efforts from 2003 to
2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one
of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in
Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in
Georgia, larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina, larger than Hay,
Tobacco, Corn and Soybeans combined in Kentucky, and larger than the top ten crops combined
(Soybeans, Hay, Cotton, Corn,

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf

Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

I saw a bumper sticker once that said "Buy Drugs, Support the CIA," sadly it's fairly accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking When the cia/contra story was being investigated by the San Jose Mecury News, the reporters were allegedly threatened multiple times by so called government "black hats" and the paper was told not to run the piece. They finally did run a much edited version, but the facts are still available for those willing to dig a bit.

Hell, heroin exports from Afgahnistan tripled since we invaded, and "asserted control."

As for mexico, that country is messed up in a huge way. It's like 1920's corruption times a million, and they buy most of their guns from us.

Illegal drugs, and cartels are seriously destructive, but don't buy the line that just because you're buying some weed you are somehow supporting terrorists. Our governments do just as much damage to their own people, and if you follow the money it almost always leads to some fatcat who is supposed to be looking out for the working man.


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Cane wrote:
Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

QFT Don't get me started on wal-mart

Kay, I'm gonna clear some things up for those confused about my intentions. I would never, ever try meth, crack cocaine, or heroin. I'm not (that) stupid.
But weed, and perhaps acid, is as far as I'll go.

Also, anybody seen Super High Me ? Pretty good movie, and really gave em some insight on how to suceed as a comedian. (Get high alot.)

Yea I was fortune enough to see Doug Benson's standup at my college; he was freaking hilarious and I suggest checking it out if you get the opportunity. The movie was great entertainment and informative but definitely low budget.

Cane wrote:

Here are my facts/numbers/argument feel free to present yours if you want to continue:

According to US Government estimates domestic marijuana production has increased ten
fold over the last 25 years from 1,000 metric tons (2.2 million pounds) in 1981 to 10,000 metric
tons (22 million pounds) in 2006. The ongoing proliferation of marijuana cultivation places it
beyond the scope of law enforcement capabilities to control and reduce the availability of
marijuana to teenagers and young children under existing public policy.
Using conservative price estimates derived from federal surveys, domestic marijuana
production has a value of $35.8 billion, more than corn and wheat combined, easily making it
America’s largest and most lucrative cash crop.
Based on production estimates derived from marijuana eradication efforts from 2003 to
2005 marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states, one of the top 3 cash crops in 30 states, and one
of the top 5 cash crops in 39 states. The domestic marijuana crop is larger than Cotton in
Alabama, larger than Grapes, Vegetables and Hay combined in California, larger than Peanuts in
Georgia, larger than Tobacco in both South Carolina and North Carolina, larger than Hay,
Tobacco, Corn and Soybeans combined in Kentucky, and larger than the top ten crops combined
(Soybeans, Hay, Cotton, Corn,

http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf

Oh, buy from Wal Mart or pay taxes much? They all go towards exploiting and killing people (not so much the former on this part but definitely the latter).

That still doesn't answer the question as to what percentage of illeagal drugs home grown takes in. I also notice there's no mention of Cocain or Heroin. Probably because of the fact that they aren't home grown.
How many of the places where pot is grown don't make it worth your life to be around since you'd probably end up dead if you were caught there? I know it's a hazard campers and hikers run in certain areas.
The Wal Mart and taxes argument I think is a bit ludicrous. People don't get jail time for not buying drugs, for openers, but they can get sent up for not paying taxes. The whole argument is really a straw man, since I'm not talking about taxes or Walmart, but what the negative effects of illegal drugs are as far as murders go in this and other countries. You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?
Here is a link to a DEA site talking about drugs coming into the US from other countries:

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/state_factsheets.html