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I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Lint wrote:

Relapse wrote: All the crap going on in Mexico, South America, and other places should really make people think twice before buying drugs. Serious support of murder going on with those kinds of habits.

I saw a bumper sticker once that said "Buy Drugs, Support the CIA," sadly it's fairly accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking When the cia/contra story was being investigated by the San Jose Mecury News, the reporters were allegedly threatened multiple times by so called government "black hats" and the paper was told not to run the piece. They finally did run a much edited version, but the facts are still available for those willing to dig a bit.

Hell, heroin exports from Afgahnistan tripled since we invaded, and "asserted control."

As for mexico, that country is messed up in a huge way. It's like 1920's corruption times a million, and they buy most of their guns from us.

Illegal drugs, and cartels are seriously destructive, but don't buy the line that just because you're buying some weed you are somehow supporting terrorists. Our governments do just as much damage to their own people, and if you follow the money it almost always leads to some fatcat who is supposed to be looking out for the working man.

The bottom line is that a lot of people get killed because of the drug trade. It dosen't matter who's running it, people still end up dead.

BrookM wrote:I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Welcome to the Internet! We hope you enjoy your stay!

Posting OT is one of my vices as well.

BrookM wrote:I see that a lot of people also have the vice of posting a lot of gak about a subject completely unrelated to the OP.

Weird, that seems to happen to alot of my threads. Hmmmmm...........

Relapse wrote:

That still doesn't answer the question as to what percentage of illeagal drugs home grown takes in. I also notice there's no mention of Cocain or Heroin. Probably because of the fact that they aren't home grown.

Yea I was mainly talking about marijuana since thats a topic of my expertise however those numbers speak for themselves and its easily the most common illegal drug. That PDF that I quoted and linked deals with marijuana exclusively. Cocaine, heroine , and meth is refined and made market ready in the USA but its main ingredients largely come from other parts of the world.

How many of the places where pot is grown don't make it worth your life to be around since you'd probably end up dead if you were caught there? I know it's a hazard campers and hikers run in certain areas.

Seems like you watched propaganda to me. Marijuana is also a weed and by its very nature will grow a lot and that hazard you discuss seems like it'd be an awfully insignificant number; plus the public areas that hikers venture have law enforcers they could call. You wouldn't want to be standing around in a public area next to illegal stuff anyway so just get the hell out of dodge if you run in that situation imo.

The Wal Mart and taxes argument I think is a bit ludicrous. People don't get jail time for not buying drugs, for openers, but they can get sent up for not paying taxes. The whole argument is really a straw man, since I'm not talking about taxes or Walmart, but what the negative effects of illegal drugs are as far as murders go in this and other countries.

Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?

The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

FUN! I HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT!!! that's my vice...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:FUN! I HAVE TOO MUCH OF IT!!! that's my vice...

Yep. Sounds about right to me.

Maybe not a vice, but going OT is a guilty pleasure

I'm beginning to see why OT is compared to smoking now.

Cane wrote:
Seems like you watched propaganda to me. Marijuana is also a weed and by its very nature will grow a lot and that hazard you discuss seems like it'd be an awfully insignificant number; plus the public areas that hikers venture have law enforcers they could call. You wouldn't want to be standing around in a public area next to illegal stuff anyway so just get the hell out of dodge if you run in that situation imo.

See, you should have simply responded with: Legalize it, and the danger goes away.

Cane wrote:
Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

It isn't really propaganda. Well, that's not true, it is propaganda (because its commonly used to demonize pot culture), but it isn't false. Any purchase made along the course of the drug trade is tacit acceptance of anything done in the process of the trade; including murder given the illicit nature of the matter. Now that isn't necessarily a bad thing (read up on where Coca-Cola gets its sugar from), but it is part of the situation you can't simply dismiss as false.

Cane wrote:
And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

Correct.

As a retired policeman once told me:

"Mate, best thing they could do is legalise pot, tax it, use the tax to grant additional funds to the police and social services."

Cane wrote:

Likewise with your comments about how buying illegals drugs = supporting murder and that idea largely stems from government propaganda. You seemed to make a pretty big point about this even though buying legal items like alcohol or paying taxes contributes to arguably worse ethical contexts.

You seem to be saying illegal drugs from other countries are only a drop in the bucket compared to what's already inside our borders. Am I reading you correctly or not?

The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

Some more info on how buying drugs helps support murder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico

One of my friends got his family out of Mexico because the drug cartels have turned his area of the country into a Hell hole. No one dares say anything against these guys. His brother had his car taken by a low level member of one of the cartels and was told to let it pass because he'd be killed if he went to the cops. These are the kind of people getting control and they are supported in very large part by the drug trade.
As far as the argument about making pot legal, I'll leave that for another thread except that there's always another drug that people will be saying should be made legal using the prohibition argument.

Relapse wrote:
As far as the argument about making pot legal, I'll leave that for another thread except that there's always another drug that people will be saying should be made legal using the prohibition argument.

And there will always be another group of people that should be allowed rights; using the civil rights argument. Slippery slopes become no stance.

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They should legalise ecstasy and pure mdma in the UK before weed. Causes less deaths than alcohol and requires less police presence.

* Head butts table repeatedly.*

I sincerely hope you're joking.

Part of me wishes that they would. Give all the fething freaks their candy, enough to off themselves.

Cane wrote:
The harder drugs that come from outside the USA usually have to be further refined and added to in order to be consumed so outside drugs definitely take a lot of inside help to sell to your fellow American. I can see how you came to that idea but no I am not saying its a drop in the bucket, more like half the bucket in some respects but when it comes to marijuana, the most widely used illegal drug, its most likely grown by Americans in America as many studies show. In the case of marijuana and probably other drugs, the stuff that comes from foreign lands are usually lower quality due to the drawbacks of smuggling. Feel free to google 'meth capital of the world' to see that hard drugs are largely made market-ready in none other than within USA.

And like prohibition showed, making a widely sought after drug illegal is counter productive and will only increase the amount of crime, murder, and money involved whether its from the hands of the taxpayer, politician, cop, or hippie as the infamous drug war has further proved.

The fact remains that buying these drugs puts a huge chunk of change into the Cartels pockets. As far as being refined in the US goes, that's a whole other segment of people that aren't above slitting a persons throat for pocket change being supported by drug money. Crips, Bloods and other gangs get a lot of their income from drugs. If you want, I could get some good info from friends of mine that were cops about the fall out effects of the drug trade and how far they extend, but I used to live in a crack house type joint for about 6 months and what I 've been telling you stems from a lot of personal observation.
The majority of Meth sold in the US comes from Mexico according to my readings it gets sent in from Mexico and futher processed by cartel run labs in this country. Just refer to the link I posted earlier for one of my sources and scroll down to the section about Meth under the drug trafficing heading.

Something I've pondered is how many people that call for gun control support the cartels and gangs using the guns and killing people by buying their drugs.

Shamfrit wrote:* Head butts table repeatedly.*

I sincerely hope you're joking.

not really no. I mean anti drug arguments aside, I can't see how ecstasy is a worse drug than alcohol. The only reason alcohol isn't treated as such is because it's a cultural relic we can't get rid of.

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Whale meat.

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Booze
(combination of wines, some whiskys and beers and other alcomahol-related things - and not all at the same time).
and coffee. Straight up, black and bitter, just like my moods.

I don't gamble, chase loose women, smoke or drive a fast car. I don't consider checking out the fine female form as a vice, either. I'm married, not dead!

I've tried dope, acid, speed (not ice) and mdma. I was never a habitual user (I've used them all less times than I have fingers) though. All in my (relative - I 'bloomed' late) youth. Besides, it reduces my spending money for wardollies.

buying GW products is my only vice.............

Lord-Loss wrote:

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Maybe...

Tea, Earl Grey.

Sometimes a Shirley Temple, sometimes just black.

(If you got the second sentence misconstrued, you are a bad, bad person.)

sA

Khornholio wrote:

Lord-Loss wrote:

Khornholio wrote:Whale meat.

Your kidding, right?

Maybe...

It's code for fat chicks...

Khornholio been rolling em in flour again...FETCH THE SIR MIXALOT RECORD NOW!!!1!

Coffee. I only drink one or two instant whites with two sweeteners on most days, but even that might be a bit much.

Then again, I'm a semi-depressed teenager who can't get to sleep until two in the morning and wakes up four hours later for school. I can't help but worry about the whole carcinogenic thing.

My record was 19 cups of coffee in 2.5 hours.
The room was spinning!!!

I would have to say keeping my inner feelings bottled up and being a bad person, other than that I have no vices.