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If what has been said so far is true, i would say space pups.

I think lash spam is overpowered against certain armies that have no psychic counter such as foot slogging orks. I would have to say lash alone is by far the most overpowered ability in the game presently.

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I think lash spam is overpowered against certain armies that have no psychic counter such as foot slogging orks. I would have to say lash alone is by far the most overpowered ability in the game presently.

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Leman russ squad you can mix and match one of the scariest tanks in the game, punisher plus vanquisher plus executioner (the plasma one) is disgusting nothing can stand up to it, tanks are owned infantry owned, but it does have the weak point of being able to wreck them on glancing.

lol more comformation that orks are beasts for the cost from Sniperjolly and Doom..

To be honest, I would say that Chaos Deamons are all but impossible to win with if you're jsut starting out. A max of 2 greater deamons, your whole army MUST deep strike. This can present quite a challenge to a new gamer.

However, any army can be played well. ANY army you can win with. You just have to get it right.

Emperors Faithful wrote:To be honest, I would say that Chaos Deamons are all but impossible to win with if you're jsut starting out. A max of 2 greater deamons, your whole army MUST deep strike. This can present quite a challenge to a new gamer.

However, any army can be played well. ANY army you can win with. You just have to get it right.

Very, very true and if you have the courage to play daemons pray the gods are on your side with the dices roles. I know I have had my fair share of annoyance at the deepstrike rule lol I almost wish they would adjust it or something to say they could deepstrike on half the table and get a charge or something lol Oh well I love my csm, daemons, warriors etc..

Csm are the best.

Lol depends there are quite a few hate threads for the daemons in fantasy saying they're too powerful.. I would be more inclined to say chaos is the best lol cause all the armies have had ups and downs but always had a strong list from a chaos army in either game.

Honestly, the best unit I can think of for "best unit for points spent" is the SM Predator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 85 points, AV13, 2 S7 AP4 and 6 S5 AP4 shots.

I don't really think there's an overpowered army. Necrons and Daemonhunters are bad, but aren't completely outclassed. 40k is the most balanced it's been since the beginning of 3rd when all armies used the rules in the back of the rulebook and had no special rules.

Honestly, the best unit I can think of for "best unit for points spent" is the SM Predator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons - 85 points, AV13, 2 S7 AP4 and 6 S5 AP4 shots.

Well, Predators are pillboxes that makes them less useful.

Chaos Daemons seem to bring the most powerful units to the table for the points being paid for them IMO. Things like Bloodcrushers, Fiends, Bloodthirsters, etc are all VERY strong units that other armies would probably have to pay a whole lot more points for.

Hey guys...lets be real here. Ork boyz are the most broken piece in the game. The sluggas getting 4 Attacks on the charge and only costing 6 points...Orks are amazing

Bad_Sheep37 wrote:Hey guys...lets be real here. Ork boyz are the most broken piece in the game. The sluggas getting 4 Attacks on the charge and only costing 6 points...Orks are amazing

They also have a 6+ Armour save.

The most overpowered army in the game is the one I most recently lost to.

Orkeosaurus wrote:It's also 225 points with Leadership 7 and a 6+ armor save.

I'd rather take 3 Hydras.

You see the problem with that statement is orks don't get hydras.

Yes they do have a 6+ armor save but with a KFF their 5+ Cover save...running with Ghazzies waaaaggghh you almost always have a turn 2 assault. Ill give up the armor save for that much killing power on Turn 2.

True, but they DO kinda suck if they don't wipe you out in the first round or (gasp) even worse, they get charged.

Gwar! wrote:

Bad_Sheep37 wrote:Hey guys...lets be real here. Ork boyz are the most broken piece in the game. The sluggas getting 4 Attacks on the charge and only costing 6 points...Orks are amazing

They also have a 6+ Armour save.

Well you can haul ass across the board with a 6+ armor save, or you can move through cover for a 4+ cover save. I HATE orks in cover. Bladestorm isnt worth a gak when orks are charging you through ruins.

NecroHAHAHAHA I can't say that with a straight face.

Seriously though, orks. Orks do not have a bad option in the codex.

Yes but considering all the new codexes have oodles of anti cover AP6/5/4 goodies, it doesn't actually help that much. Unless you play ELDAR

Actually, apart from flamers, there isn't THAT much anti-cover stuff READILY available.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, apart from flamers, there isn't THAT much anti-cover stuff READILY available.

Sternguard, Half the Guard Ordnance. SPESS WHOLVES!

Sterngaurd, yes they're elites.
IG, apart from a couple of elite tanks and low strength valkryie weapons?
Spehz Puppehz?

Gwar! wrote:Yes but considering all the new codexes have oodles of anti cover AP6/5/4 goodies, it doesn't actually help that much. Unless you play ELDAR

I can cling to hope that in the new codex, Vibrocannons will ignore cover. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Hive Tyrant with full Guard compliment, one of the biggest bullet soaks in the army but can hold fire like there is no tomorrow 10 toughness 6 wounds at three plus for just over half then 2 plus with a 6 + invulnerable save it takes concentrated fire from every heavy weapon on the enemy side for at least 2 turns to take them down and by that time the rest of the army is in range for killy good ness.

slop27 wrote:Hive Tyrant with full Guard compliment, one of the biggest bullet soaks in the army but can hold fire like there is no tomorrow 10 toughness 6 wounds at three plus for just over half then 2 plus with a 6 + invulnerable save it takes concentrated fire from every heavy weapon on the enemy side for at least 2 turns to take them down and by that time the rest of the army is in range for killy good ness.

Still loses to TH/SS Termies though.

Gornall wrote:

slop27 wrote:Hive Tyrant with full Guard compliment, one of the biggest bullet soaks in the army but can hold fire like there is no tomorrow 10 toughness 6 wounds at three plus for just over half then 2 plus with a 6 + invulnerable save it takes concentrated fire from every heavy weapon on the enemy side for at least 2 turns to take them down and by that time the rest of the army is in range for killy good ness.

Still loses to TH/SS Termies though.

against my tyrant (bone sword lash whip and talons) you fight second neg 1 attacks against 4 monstrous creature attacks and 9 rending attacks all at strength 5 base, and thats not on the charge. Just through math hammer i count three dead termies optimistically, if its equal points that is more than half the squad that leaves four attacks back two hit, both wound and i lose a tyrant guard next round i win. if my math is right.

No denying the hive tyrant can be mean but unless he has wings wraithguard, tanks, and other high power hitters will kill ya before ya cross the board. I've never been a huge fan of squads of 4 or less big pts units(unless they deepstrike or fly) cause alot of folks I play with are tread heads.

slop27 wrote:

Gornall wrote:

slop27 wrote:Hive Tyrant with full Guard compliment, one of the biggest bullet soaks in the army but can hold fire like there is no tomorrow 10 toughness 6 wounds at three plus for just over half then 2 plus with a 6 + invulnerable save it takes concentrated fire from every heavy weapon on the enemy side for at least 2 turns to take them down and by that time the rest of the army is in range for killy good ness.

Still loses to TH/SS Termies though.

against my tyrant (bone sword lash whip and talons) you fight second neg 1 attacks against 4 monstrous creature attacks and 9 rending attacks all at strength 5 base, and thats not on the charge. Just through math hammer i count three dead termies optimistically, if its equal points that is more than half the squad that leaves four attacks back two hit, both wound and i lose a tyrant guard next round i win. if my math is right.

I count 1.4ish dead if the Tyrant/Guard don't get the charge. That still leaves the Termies with 4-5 attacks back (not going to figure in Master-crafted), with about 2 wounds, so 1 dead TG, 1-2 dead Termies, drawn combat and grinding on until the next turn. Basically it comes down to who gets the charge (and if the Tyrant/Guard don't have Fleshhooks, and the Termies receive the charge in cover, the Termies are still in good shape). With a LR delivery, the Termies should get the charge off (which means probably 2 dead Tyrant Guard, and a no-retreat save or two) unless a Carnifex gets lucky with it's shooting. However, Mathhammer is just that... math. Never works out the way it's "supposed" to.

The best point for point unit I have played with is Mr. Killer Kan



Heavy Support
Killer Kan 35pts
FA 11 SA 11 RA 10 BS3 WS2 I2 A2 S5/10 WS2

10 pts Grotzooka 18" S6 AP5 Heavy 2: Blast


45pts Total

Squad of 3 for 135ps with 6 Grotzooka attacks =