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Can 10 man tacticals NOT combat squaded take Razorbacks?

I always assumed no.

To my knowledge there isn't any rule that says they can't, but they would have to shoot five of each other down before they could fit into the back. lol. That or give it to another unit.

Yep, they certainly can - they just can't get in unless there's only 6 left.

Here is my optimal loadout:

9x tactical Marine/lascannon, meltagun
Sergeant/power fist & plasma pistol
Rhino

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Keefer wrote:To my knowledge there isn't any rule that says they can't, but they would have to shoot five of each other down before they could fit into the back. lol. That or give it to another unit.

Scott-S6 wrote:Yep, they certainly can - they just can't get in unless there's only 6 left.

Seems a little odd having a transport that requires backstabbing or apalling casualties to be effective.......

They don't have to start in the Razorback though, so if you want a cheep light armored twin linked lascannon rolling around, that'd be a way to get it.

Eyclonus wrote:

Keefer wrote:To my knowledge there isn't any rule that says they can't, but they would have to shoot five of each other down before they could fit into the back. lol. That or give it to another unit.

Scott-S6 wrote:Yep, they certainly can - they just can't get in unless there's only 6 left.

Seems a little odd having a transport that requires backstabbing or apalling casualties to be effective.......

They can also use it as rolling cover, mobile fire support, transport when combat squadded, etc.

My chapter fluff has 10-man tac squads being deployed in pairs with razorbacks from thunderhawk transporters (they actually utilise that little transport compartment at the front, unlike other chapters). That gives them a ten-man twin heavy weapon firebase and ten-men with two specials and two sergeants in a pair of razorbacks.

Scott-S6 wrote:That gives them a ten-man twin heavy weapon firebase and ten-men with two specials and two sergeants in a pair of razorbacks.

This is my favorite use of my tacticals as well. Two Plasma Cannons or one and a Lascannon on the home base, and two special weapons and Sergeants riding in Razorbacks. Then, above 1500 or so, I'll add a ML/Flamer/Powersword/Rhino squad to have a nice chunky, reliable, yet cheap objective scorer. This squad specifically is the one I send to the hottest objective on the board. The combat squads do tend to fold quickly if left unsupported. They either run together, or bide time until they can back another unit's play then sweep in to capture afterwards.

As far as the Heavy weapon argument goes; I think for a meltabomb's points, the Plasma Cannon is a steal. That's a HUGE discount from the Devestator price, and it's a weapon you can only find in a few places in the SM list (the Dreadnought being another great location, if pricey). If you never fire it, it's a very small investment wasted. If it fires and does nothing, it's a very small investment wasted. If it fires and wipes out a squad of deep-struck Terminators in a single shot, it's 195 points up! Even being used for hopeful shots at infantry in cover, you're going to hit frequently with the blast, and punish formations that clump together to get cover. You're going to wound on 2's against basically anything, and if you're firing at 2+ or 3+ save infantry, you'll be forcing them to rely on lower than normal saves. Honestly, just one good shot with a Plasma Cannon usually pays off the investment. You spend just under the price of 1/3 of a Space Marine to get it. Kill just one Marine and you're at 300% points efficiency. Str 7 can even be a threat to transport armor, giving them utility even on turn one against an all-mech opponent. I never leave home without 2, and I prefer 3 over 2000 points. When Sicarious is in play, I'll mix a Lascannon in as a Tank Hunter, but everyone else carries a PC.

This isn't to say the other options aren't good, just my findings with my playstyle and mix of opponents.

Green Blow Fly wrote:Here is my optimal loadout:

9x tactical Marine/lascannon, meltagun
Sergeant/power fist & plasma pistol
Rhino

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Power Fist and plasma pistol on the same 1W model?

Really?

My optimal load out for sm tac squads is as cheap as I can get it.

205-210 including a rhino is the best price.

I like the idea of specialist tac squads so building one thats anti tank than another based around infantry formations appeals to me.

Scott S6's use of melta/HB with MM Razor sounds like a reasonable compromise although you do lose your Mechanised element having to leave a combat squad behind.

GeneralRetreat: I have had similar experience with a PC tac squad. They are very nice, especially when Plague Marines or Termies show up. And the S7 template isn't bad against much of anything except heavy armor.

Green Blow Fly: lolwut?