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Glad to see the shield almost complete and ready for production.

I still hope for the plain centered one that would allow me to customize it as I want (icons, runes, etc)

Personally, I think the power cables across the front are just wrong. Why create a vulnerability on the very item that is being used to increase protection? I'd expect future weaponry would easily destroy those cables regardless of what they are made of. What next ? Cables, actuators and circuitry on the outside of power armor? Sorry, but I feel so strongly AGAINST the cables that, should they stay, I won't be ordering any of the shields.

No worries, it will come plain.
As for the cables:
There is one last option if you want it and that is if I remove the inner band of small runes and sculpt a tiny and armoured cable running along the inner circle. That would make for some hi-tech visuals but still look logical and "hidden".
So yes or no?

Have you seen how Rex's Storm Shield is done, Tom?

The cabling runs along the interior of the back of the shield, with a kind of auspex display on the inside so he can "see" past that massive shield. It's all confined to the center, surrounding where his hand would be so as to minimize the chance of cabling getting smacked by a glancing blow.

That's how I'd do it, personally.

Oh gosh... So I need to wait for Soul Drinker stuff... and now you say your doing orks... bloody hell I just felt a hot burning pain in the pocket where my wallet used to be :(

I like the shields but agree the cabling should just be left off the front. I also think the centre should be bare so people can put whatever they want on there.

Tom- wrote:Just wait till I start sculpting for orks and eldar armies

Holding off on some of the ork army then . At least I dont need to do another marine army

Kanluwen wrote:Have you seen how Rex's Storm Shield is done, Tom?

The cabling runs along the interior of the back of the shield, with a kind of auspex display on the inside so he can "see" past that massive shield. It's all confined to the center, surrounding where his hand would be so as to minimize the chance of cabling getting smacked by a glancing blow.

That's how I'd do it, personally.

Sounds a cool idea. And going to speak up fr the inner rune rune, think it adds a lot of character to the shield. Seperate casts for the cabling would be a good idea I think. If people like it at the front they can use it there, or the back, or have ready cast cabling for other conversions.
Will the shields be coming with a selection of symbols or ordered with specific symbols?

We plan on first casting the Shield plain, with no icons. This is for our use and also because I know a ton of gamers want a plain shield to paint or GS on other icons.

Tom will then receive the plain shield and sculpt on whatever Icons he sculpts - Iron Snakes, Wolves, Salamanders, Fist, Chalices, etc etc. You will probably see an Omega symbol as well (for you Smurf, erm, Ultramarine players).

So yes there will be a plain centered shield and a ton of other chapters as well.

Tom- wrote:I´ll just remove the cables and have them loose along with the knuckle guard.

This seems to be the best option, IMO.

Really nice shields man.

Great work! The whining about the cabling is very odd IMHO. Deciding to do it as an optional bit is a very good idea that gives alot of flexibility.

Keep up the outstanding work!

Hey Tom,

I wasn't saying the scale was off, that looks great. What is off is that if you draw a line, from left to right, through the ornamentation it makes a straight line. With that in mind, if you draw a line the same way from top to bottom, it's not going to make a pefect + as it's a bit skewed. This is made more prominent by the fact that the ornamentation is pointed. I attached a pic.

Are you guys sure GW will let you do this?
j/k

In regards to the icons:

What not just leave them off, but have the space large enough to accept transfers?

I know that with the Space Wolves battleforce alone, I've got a buttload of spare transfers. Sure it's worse for actual Marine players

I wasn't saying the scale was off, that looks great. What is off is that if you draw a line, from left to right, through the ornamentation it makes a straight line. With that in mind, if you draw a line the same way from top to bottom, it's not going to make a pefect + as it's a bit skewed. This is made more prominent by the fact that the ornamentation is pointed. I attached a pic.

I know what you mean, I was actually sitting and drawing my own straight lines across the shield at home when I sculpted it
The corner ornaments are already remade twice since I wasnt to happy with the first result but as said, to get the whole thing perfectly aligned, perfectly round and making a perfect "+" in the middle would take twice the time I already put into the shield. Time that I unfortunately dont have.
Thus I needed to compromise a bit.
remember, I dont have any aces to computer printing machines like scibor does nor do I have aces to computer 3D molding machines and shrinkage methods like GW do. Each and every little thing is being done by hand with just a pocket knife, a scalpel, table light and patience and is done in the same scale as the finished thing, no big models being scaled down. There is absolutely nothing more to it.
I sincerely hope you guys will find the stuff acceptable despite their occasional detail and shape flaws.

What not just leave them off, but have the space large enough to accept transfers?

Sure, there will be empty non-icon space there too.
The small bulbs and studs on the shield surface are easily cut of if you want to ad transfers or if the transfers are to big.

Dont worry, the shield will come plain as well as with several icons as some people want to paint their own iconography and some like the pre set ones I do.

Dez wrote:Hey Tom,

I wasn't saying the scale was off, that looks great. What is off is that if you draw a line, from left to right, through the ornamentation it makes a straight line. With that in mind, if you draw a line the same way from top to bottom, it's not going to make a pefect + as it's a bit skewed. This is made more prominent by the fact that the ornamentation is pointed. I attached a pic.

does it matter?

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Are you guys sure GW will let you do this?
j/k

i'm pretty sure GW doesn't own the rights to the greek letter omega or the chalice. on the off chance that they do, i'm sure the country of Greece as well as the most of the European medieval knightly orders and their successors (the illuminati, the free masons, etc) will be pissed.

warboss wrote:... the country of Greece as well as the most of the European medieval knightly orders and their successors (the illuminati, the free masons, etc) will be pissed.

Thats court TV i'd not only actually watch but be willing to pay to see .

On topic I understand peoples high standards on their own work and stuff, but even slightly off that shield is a great sculpt. Was giving thought to doing some DW terminators out of a bit of boredom and having different backgrounds represented through them not just the native american thing the old models had so I'm sorely tempted.
But then there was a mention of ork stuff and more importantly, eldar.

warboss wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Are you guys sure GW will let you do this?
j/k

i'm pretty sure GW doesn't own the rights to the greek letter omega or the chalice. on the off chance that they do, i'm sure the country of Greece as well as the most of the European medieval knightly orders and their successors (the illuminati, the free masons, etc) will be pissed.

I think you missed the "j/k" in his post.


Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:

warboss wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Are you guys sure GW will let you do this?
j/k

i'm pretty sure GW doesn't own the rights to the greek letter omega or the chalice. on the off chance that they do, i'm sure the country of Greece as well as the most of the European medieval knightly orders and their successors (the illuminati, the free masons, etc) will be pissed.

I think you missed the "j/k" in his post.


Eric

i didn't miss it; i just had no clue what it was (his initials? a short sig?). i'm now guessing from your post that means joking. dakka is lucky i know what lol and those little green faces with thumbs mean! jeez, i'm over 30 after all...

johnstewartjohn wrote:

Dez wrote:Hey Tom,

I wasn't saying the scale was off, that looks great. What is off is that if you draw a line, from left to right, through the ornamentation it makes a straight line. With that in mind, if you draw a line the same way from top to bottom, it's not going to make a pefect + as it's a bit skewed. This is made more prominent by the fact that the ornamentation is pointed. I attached a pic.

does it matter?

If someone is asking for constructive feedback and you're willing to give it, yes. How else would one get better at their craft?

Why would you put exposed cables on the side of something that is purpose built to be hit by enemy fire/close combat?

warboss wrote:
i didn't miss it; i just had no clue what it was (his initials? a short sig?). i'm now guessing from your post that means joking. dakka is lucky i know what lol and those little green faces with thumbs mean! jeez, i'm over 30 after all...

J/K = Just Kidding.

FWIW (for what it's worth), I'm 38.
It's just a matter of learning 'em.
LOL

Eric

Breotan wrote:Why would you put exposed cables on the side of something that is purpose built to be hit by enemy fire/close combat?

didn't think of that but it brings up an interesting point. my reasoning for not liking it didn't go beyond "it's prettier without them". i think the storm shield generates a force field that does the actual protecting according to the fluff. anything powerful enough to gut termie armor probably isn't going to be stopped by a physical barrier that a str 3 human can carry on one arm. although... considering in 40k that barbed wire has a 16% chance of stopping an anti-tank laser.... rofl (see magickal, i'm hip like the kids!)

Marines are str 4.

In any event, my advice is to move the cabling to the rear and use the new deadspace to allow for more celtic iconography.

Breotan wrote:Marines are str 4.

glad to hear it. i was talking about daemon/witch - hunter characters who are str 3 and can take a storm shield even with their puny girlie arms.

Dez wrote:

johnstewartjohn wrote:

Dez wrote:Hey Tom,

I wasn't saying the scale was off, that looks great. What is off is that if you draw a line, from left to right, through the ornamentation it makes a straight line. With that in mind, if you draw a line the same way from top to bottom, it's not going to make a pefect + as it's a bit skewed. This is made more prominent by the fact that the ornamentation is pointed. I attached a pic.

does it matter?

If someone is asking for constructive feedback and you're willing to give it, yes. How else would one get better at their craft?

true

Sorry i ment at 28mm scale your not going notice somthing like that,i should have been more clear. wasn't ment as a personal attack.

personally i like the cables at the front.

In any event, my advice is to move the cabling to the rear and use the new deadspace to allow for more celtic iconography.

Roger Wilco

true

Sorry i ment at 28mm scale your not going notice somthing like that,i should have been more clear. wasn't ment as a personal attack.

personally i like the cables at the front.

No worries, didnt take it as such. Thanks for the feedback although it was something I already knew about but nevertheless, thanks. Its feedback amongst other things that makes one better.

And since there are people who like the cables I will do a cabled version of the shield as well as several without.

I think I'll buy some of these for my Brak Marines.

Tom- wrote:

And since there are people who like the cables I will do a cabled version of the shield as well as several without.

I'd like to caution you against trying to please too many people too much of the time. That way lies madness and financial ruin. I strongly suggest just doing the shield plain with bits to add or not, as the buyer sees fit. We are a modelling community after all.

Really i wish that this is something that GW would do more often as well. The Honor Guard models are just awesome, except that they are riddled with Ultramarines Iconography, some of which is impossible to remove without ruining other detail, making them useless for non-Ultra players.

You have the opportunity here to make a product appealing to the widest possible range of customers, not by catering to each group, but by allowing each group to cater to itself.

Lordhat wrote:

Tom- wrote:

And since there are people who like the cables I will do a cabled version of the shield as well as several without.

I'd like to caution you against trying to please too many people too much of the time. That way lies madness and financial ruin. I strongly suggest just doing the shield plain with bits to add or not, as the buyer sees fit. We are a modelling community after all.

Really i wish that this is something that GW would do more often as well. The Honor Guard models are just awesome, except that they are riddled with Ultramarines Iconography, some of which is impossible to remove without ruining other detail, making them useless for non-Ultra players.

You have the opportunity here to make a product appealing to the widest possible range of customers, not by catering to each group, but by allowing each group to cater to itself.

Yay!

This is what I keep trying to explain as well. Sure we would like to please EVERY player, but that way lies to non-profits and losses in a business environment.