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lixulana wrote: "counts as" : they are still what ever they were foc wise,

Aramoro wrote:He says Wolfgaurd count as Troops

in this case they cease to be elite and are only troops. so you can have 6 squads of them as troops, and 0 squads as elite.

Wha . . ?

That what I'm trying to find out. Where does 'Count as troops' Stop them being Elites. It seems logical that it would perhaps, but there's no rules which explicitly state that as far as I can find.

Aramoro

Counts as troops means just that. They count as troops for all intents and purposes.
See FOC for details.
Note: One unit does not take up more than one slot on the FOC without a rule explicitely stating so (and none come to mind).

Hollismason wrote:I realy cant wait for the space wolf codex faq to come out and they answer such pressing questions as " CAN I HAS LANDSPEEDER STORME?

Damn Right. Or "OMG WHY NO THUNDERFIRE!!!!!!!!!" or perhaps "WAAAA MAH DROOP POODZ NUU HAZ TWEELVE MEENZ!"

lixulana wrote: "counts as" : they are still what ever they were foc wise, but they can be deployed as troops in scenarios, they may count as scoring if they dont have a special rule otherwise swarms are not scoring even if they are troops because they are a "swarm". see pistols a pistol counts as a additional ccw in assault but it is still a pistol and always is a pistol.

taken as : this replaces their foc with the new one. an elite unit that is taken as troops, means they can not be taken as an elite choice only as a troops.

maybe taken as : they have two slots on the FOC. see tyranid warriors can be elite or hq or both in the same list.


in this case the codex says "counts as" the white dwarf says "taken as" these are not the same.

Lix:

Please don't ignore the example presented to you, you need to answer for your logic to hold up.

Wolf King rule (for I think Ragnar? not sure) states that Fenrisian Wolves count as troops. It uses the EXACT same wording as Logan's rule, except replace the word Wolf Guard with Fenrisian Wolves.

Now, Fenrisian Wolves also have a rule that states that they may NEVER be a scoring unit.

So, if your logic is correct and "counts as" means they still are whatever they were at the start, then what precisely is the benefit of Ragnar's rule? Do you honestly think that the Wolf King's only purpose as a rule is that he can deploy 2 units of wolves in a DoW game?

That would make wolf king the crappiest rule ever written.

I feel, that instead of being super lame and doing almost nothing as a rule (since Fen Wolves CANNOT be scoring), that the rule allows 6 choices of wolves to be filled, taking up the Troops FOC slot.