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You liked Infinite Undiscovery but hated Last Remnant? Puzzling.

Well, DA:O isn't really like any of those. It's in the line of Knights of the Old Republic and Mass Effect. I loved both of those games and really looked forward to Dragon Age. I am disappointed in the game but it's getting good press. Then again, FFXIII will probably get a perfect score in Famitsu this Christmas so forget the reviews. If you don't expect much out of games, this will be fine for you. If you're a high maintenance gamer ("are you kidding? Bioshock was sooooo boring") stay far away, this game is poison for you.


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dogma wrote:

Manchu wrote:
Unfair. If I refused to eat a pile of dog gak shaped like a cake, you wouldn't ask me what's wrong with cake.

I probably would.

After all, if the cake shape is pleasing, then one would expect it to be an asset to any given substance of alternate composition.

Funny how it takes making a cake shop's inventory worth of gak-cakes to realize that this isn't the case. For evidence, have a stroll down the sci-fi/fantasy aisle of your nearest Barnes and Noble. Pay particular attention when you start seeing lots of paperback spines that read "Forgotten Realms." But whatevs, as with all things in this world of ours YMMV.

I hated Bioshock, but love Dragon Age. Bioshock was Swiss Cheese, Dragon Age was Cheddar.

Well, minus the 'Premium Content' noise.

Simple
TLR was too special FX for me.
They tried to make it so visually stunning that they ended up ruining the combat system with it.

Also, ill have to add that i play fallout 3 like religion, and play oblivion from time to time aswell.
Ive also played the entire FF series, and as far as i care, FFVIII was still the best one by miles.

JD21290 wrote:Also, ill have to add that i play fallout 3 like religion, and play oblivion from time to time aswell.
Ive also played the entire FF series, and as far as i care, FFVIII was still the best one by miles.

Here's our common ground. No, not that confession of yours about liking FFVIII. That I will pretend did not happen. The part about Bethesda games. Those are benchmarks. Those games are wonderful. Playing Dragon Age after a year of Fallout is like putting down Cervantes in favor of J. K. Rowling. If you're not picky, the Harry Potter will tide you over. Otherwise, forget it. Just be patient and wait out the fifteen years Bethesda will need to make Elder Scrolls V.

Manchu wrote:
Funny how it takes making a cake shop's inventory worth of gak-cakes to realize that this isn't the case.

Really? No, it seems to me that if the shape is something you enjoy, then that thing is something which will add to that which you like. If it does not, then that which you revile has simply overcome that which you enjoy, or you never enjoyed the shape to begin with. This isn't really a difficult idea.

I love hockey, but watching the Coyotes makes me cringe. I didn't stop loving hockey, the Coyotes simply overcame my love of the sport.

Conversely, I hate basketball, and the talent of the early 90's Bulls was the only thing capable of overcoming that hatred.

Manchu wrote:
For evidence, have a stroll down the sci-fi/fantasy aisle of your nearest Barnes and Noble. Pay particular attention when you start seeing lots of paperback spines that read "Forgotten Realms." But whatevs, as with all things in this world of ours YMMV.

That doesn't mean you dislike the genre, it means you dislike the representation of it. I commented on the nature of DAO's story because I feel it is near identical to LOTR's. Is it aesthetically different? Obviously. The point was equivocational in the only sense in which such action is legitimate, you can disagree, but masking that disagreement in preference is just more "it's art!" nonsense.

The only nonsense I see here is the idea that Dragon Age's plot is "near identical" to LotR. Nonsense is probably too strong a word for such a broad generalization. I think the word I want is "meaningless." I don't generally enjoy anything because it falls into a certain genre. The "shape" as it were is often a stumbling block. I like the things that stand out amid their milieu. For example, I like 40k but have no interest in PP, Rackham or any other table top wargames. This isn't too difficult an idea, either, really--oh and it pretty neatly sums up why I was so tremendously underwhelmed by Gak Cakes, I mean Dragon Age.

Manchu wrote:The only nonsense I see here is the idea that Dragon Age's plot is "near identical" to LotR. Nonsense is probably too strong a word for such a broad generalization. I think the word I want is "meaningless." I don't generally enjoy anything because it falls into a certain genre. The "shape" as it were is often a stumbling block. I like the things that stand out amid their milieu. For example, I like 40k but have no interest in PP, Rackham or any other table top wargames. This isn't too difficult an idea, either, really--oh and it pretty neatly sums up why I was so tremendously underwhelmed by Gak Cakes, I mean Dragon Age.

So you have strong, personal, aesthetic preferences.

I'm honestly surprised that you like 40k as it strikes me as exceedingly derivative.

My suspicion, or knowledge, tells me that derivation is measured only in temporal familiarity. Not any objective nonsense that we knock about.

I'm not totally sure what objective nonsense you're talking about or what you mean by temporal familiarity. But you certainly have my attention.

As for liking 40k, it is strongly derivative in shallow ways, in the "Catachans/Rambo" way. But at its core is something so densely novel that it exerts a gravity on the rest of scifi, sucking in and assimilating via some sort of conceptual fusion the pitch-perfectly resonating images and language that give it greater depth or, more accurately, the illusion of tremendous depth. I think that this novel core might actually be the British historical experience itself. I've not totally thought it through much less tried to write about it. I tell you this much, only the British could imagine Catholicism into something like the Ecclesiarchy.

Waaaaaay off topic here chaps.

Manchu wrote:I'm not totally sure what objective nonsense you're talking about or what you mean by temporal familiarity. But you certainly have my attention.

We like what we like, and come up with words in the aftermath. Difference is simply the term we use to measure our lack of familiarity with any particularly new idea. After all, reality doesn't compel change, only desire does (grated that desire is a component of reality).

Manchu wrote:
As for liking 40k, it is strongly derivative in shallow ways, in the "Catachans/Rambo" way. But at its core is something so densely novel that it exerts a gravity on the rest of scifi, sucking in and assimilating via some sort of conceptual fusion the pitch-perfectly resonating images and language that give it greater depth or, more accurately, the illusion of tremendous depth. I think that this novel core might actually be the British historical experience itself. I've not totally thought it through much less tried to write about it. I tell you this much, only the British could imagine Catholicism into something like the Ecclesiarchy.

To me it seems like Vin Diesel psychology. Though I would never dismiss Vin as irrelevant.

I hate to say it, but I had difficulty playing with the ingrained first person perspective
of Fallout. Playing it in third perspective was even stranger for me to get the hang of. I
think it's because I'm not really a console gamer so getting used to the controls and
the perspective simultaneously threw me off.

I enjoyed Oblivion, Daggerfall, and Morrowind up to a certain point, but realized
that first person annoyed me early on (I never finished the storylines in any of
those games).

Games that I loved, Fallouts 1 and 2, Planescape: Oblivion, Knights of the Old
Republic, and the two last Wizardry games (first person phased combat is
cool).

Hey Mal. Why don't you get Borderlands instead. Got it yesterday. Already loads of fun.

Because Borderlands is basically Diablo with guns and doesn't bring the character depth, plot, and dialogue that Dragon Age offers.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Because Borderlands is basically Diablo with guns and doesn't bring the character depth, plot, and dialogue that Dragon Age offers.

I give credit where credit's due. Only.

Look man, if you're going to proselytise your hatred of Dragon Age, take it elsewhere. Don't like it? Don't play it.

Besides, Malf already said he didn't like FPS-RPGs.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Look man, if you're going to proselytise your hatred of Dragon Age, take it elsewhere. Don't like it? Don't play it.

I will not take it elsewhere as this is the proper thread for it. Can't handle opinions that differ from yours? Maybe you ought to take it elsewhere. I'm getting sick of the sixteen year olds thinking they're mods. *EDIT: Advance apologies if I misread your tone.

Besides, Malf already said he didn't like FPS-RPGs.

He said he found them tough to adjust to because he's not truly a "console gamer." I also know he loves his PS3 and this is a great PS3 game at time where much else available for it is meh . . . like Dragon Age.

Manchu wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Look man, if you're going to proselytise your hatred of Dragon Age, take it elsewhere. Don't like it? Don't play it.

I will not take it elsewhere as this is the proper thread for it. Can't handle opinions that differ from yours? Maybe you ought to take it elsewhere. I'm getting sick of the sixteen year olds thinking they're mods. *EDIT: Advance apologies if I misread your tone.

I have no problem with different opinions, but you're just spouting complaints about Dragon Age, which not everyone wants or needs to hear.

Stop being so damn edgy already.

Cheese Elemental wrote:but you're just spouting complaints about Dragon Age

If you only want to read good reviews and put down people who have criticisms, I believe you'll enjoy Amazon.com more than Dakka.

Stop being so damn edgy already.

Will do (realized I kind of bit your head off, hence apology) but must ask you to lose the smug Internet Tough Guy act in return. Or keep it and go back to trolling /b/. EDIT: -OR- even better, go troll YMDC.

Manchu wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:but you're just spouting complaints about Dragon Age

If you only want to read good reviews and put down people who have criticisms, I believe you'll enjoy Amazon.com more than Dakka.

Did I say it was an amazing, utterly flawless game? No. Was I saying your opinion was inane and foolish? No.

Manchu wrote:

Stop being so damn edgy already.

Will do (realized I kind of bit your head off, hence apology) but must ask you to lose the smug Internet Tough Guy act in return. Or keep it and go back to trolling /b/.

What the feth are you on about? I was pointing out that you haven't really given valid reasons for your opinion. That's not insulting you, unless you can't take criticism. You're really overreacting here. Just... calm down.

Oh, dammit, just... whatever Dogma said. It's what I'm getting at. I like you, man, so just drop the hate already.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I was pointing out that you haven't really given valid reasons for your opinion.

Okay, re-reading the thread, I see what you mean. DA:O was a game I felt really ambivalent about for months before its release. Since Fallout came out last October I had been disappointed by game after game (including Neverwinter 2). As DA approached, I checked my cynicism and pre-ordered the collector's edition--and prayed that it'd be good. (Like I've said, it will be ages before Bethesda gets something new out.) I thought it'd be a good bet because KotOR is probably the only SW game to get it right (maybe also Rogue Squadron for N64) and Mass Effect was, IMO, a great story. So I finally got it home and started an Elf Mage. After a couple of hours, I felt extremely bored. Thought it must be the magic. Started a human rogue . . . same problem. Rinse and repeat with every (and they're aren't actualy that many) race/background/class combination except Dwarf Commoner and was still not feeling it. So I hunkered down with my Dwarf two-hander and just played for a few more hours, waiting for something to turn around. After a while, I knew the problem wasn't me. This game has some bright spots (the demoness sequence in the Circle's tower) but it is thoroughly mediocre in terms of visual style, plot, gameplay, and graphics. The only thing it does well is voice acting. But that hardly matters as the characters are wooden versions of Joss Wheedon teenagers. This is just all my opinion and it obviously doesn't correlate with everyone else's. Maybe my trouble was putting too many hopes on this game (as I've already said, I've all but given up on FFXIII after nearly three years of waiting) but I think I gave it more than a fair chance.

I like you, man, so just drop the hate already.

Hate dropped, offense unintended, apology re-tendered. I just see more and more people on the DakDak dropping one liners in emulation of certain YMDC posters like so:

JadeFruitFly wrote:Your opinions are worthless. You could never win a tournament.

J

I am hoping that this kind of garbage will not spread.

Glad to see we understand each other.