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k so you shoot 2 flamers and a destructor at the marines squad after getting out of your serpent.

You have to be within at least 12" and preferably a LOT closer to get multiple flamer hits, 8 pistol shots is another 1 wound, then you can't assault afterward. If you did wait in your serpent a round tl assault you would be on the same initiative level as the Marines and would get smeared.

4 SM dead

You then are within 12" from the marines unit meaning they are either going to assault you at the same initiative level or light you up with bolters that you'll get no saves on.

If you going to take guardians, take a platform with scatter laser or star cannon if your planning to fight marines with the unit.


On the note of avengers, people take them because DA w/ doom + guide is very strong or you take them in a set of 5 for a scoring vehical that is way cheaper then other options.

I hate people who posts a list, and then don't even consider peoples suggestions.

FIRST you say you don't want your guys in your tanks all the time, you want them to do something.

THEN you say you want them to stay inside their tanks as long as possible.

You contradict yourself, and don't know what you want.

Make up your mind.

Karon wrote:I hate people who posts a list, and then don't even consider peoples suggestions.

FIRST you say you don't want your guys in your tanks all the time, you want them to do something.

THEN you say you want them to stay inside their tanks as long as possible.

You contradict yourself, and don't know what you want.

Make up your mind.

Be gentle

Heh some people post lists just to test the waters and see what people think, then defend their choices. It doesn't mean they won't listen it just means that it will take a match or two of what people predicted coming true before a lightbulb clicks.

Karon wrote:I hate people who posts a list, and then don't even consider peoples suggestions.

FIRST you say you don't want your guys in your tanks all the time, you want them to do something.

THEN you say you want them to stay inside their tanks as long as possible.

You contradict yourself, and don't know what you want.

Make up your mind.

I consider other suggestions, but if i dont like the suggestion i wont take the advice........

and its not contradiction, I DO want the units to do something, but they also stay inside the tanks as long as possible. how was that confusing to you? just because i leave them in their tank as long as possible doesnt mean i dont want them to do something. Im not going to dump my units out first turn to get shot down 2nd turn.


and to the guy who keeps pressuring the DA unit against stormies. i DO run stormies now, its not a theory. I like stormies more than DA. DA have same T as guardians and die just as easily, except my stormies cost 30-60 points less than a DA unit. my army right now actually uses both stormies AND DA, and the stormies do much more dmg (even against smurfs). maybe youve never tried storm guardiands and YOUR theorizing about how they dont work???


anyways, the only advice I was looking for was help on fitting fire dragons into the list, and no one seems to be helping me there, instead just harrasing my other choices which I prefer (and ive seen very similar builds to this many times, not sure why this list is a mystery to everyone, its a very common build on most forums)