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Red_Lives wrote:Exactly, they are not jetbikes. Nothing on page 53 except "Bikes cannot run in the shooting phase" prevents wraiths from running, and since wraiths are not bikes this does not apply. Since wraiths are infact not bikes they just move like them, nothing is preventing them from running.

Bikes cannot run in the shooting phase. Running is movement. To do movement a bike cannot possibly do is in no way a form of moving like a bike. You can't move unless a bike could move in the same way.

Except running is not clearly defined as movement. Its implied that it is movement and that it is not movement. The part about bikes not being able to run is not necessary related to bike movement. Nor is it implied as such.

Running is clearly defined as movement, as opposed to shooting a weapon. It can't possibly be anything but a form of movement. It mentions movement multiple times and your model is effectively moving.

Infantry can run, regardless how they move.

OK, so IF they fall back, how far would they fall back? 2d6 as Infantry or 3d6 as jetbikes.
To me, they move as jetbikes replaces ALL of their movement rules with jetbike movement rules. And that includes running.

kirsanth wrote:Infantry can run, regardless how they move.

That. Running is an action that jetbikes cannot normally perform, however they are infantry models, and running is an action infantry models may perform. Its that simple.

Red_Lives wrote:

kirsanth wrote:Infantry can run, regardless how they move.

That. Running is an action that jetbikes cannot normally perform, however they are infantry models, and running is an action infantry models may perform. Its that simple.

No, it is as simple as "running is an action that a jet bike cannot do. I move as a JetBike, therefore I cannot run" - ify ou try to use your infantry status to Move, you are a) ignoring your own rules, which state you MOVE AS A JETBIKE, and b) breaking the jetbike movement rules where they cannot run.

Running is CLEARLY movement, it states it is movement several times. You seem to be confused thinking that Movement can only happen in the movement phase, despite run and assault both being moves....

I believe they may run, although it will never ever come up since they may turbo-boost, so its really a mute point.

"moot" point, and not if you use the American usage of it

They may not run, as to do so would mean they are not "moving as a jetbike" - so you would be breaking a rule.

If a unit or model moves as another unit type, then it follows all the rules for that alternate movement type (unless specified otherwise). It does not get to suddenly pick and choose which rules it gets to follow and which rules it does not follow.


Running is movement. It says as much right in the rules for running.

Running is a type of movement that bikes and jetbikes are not allowed to utilize.

Therefore if a model that 'moves as a jetbike' runs, it is no longer 'moving as a jetbike' (as jetibkes aren't allowed to run) and therefore it is breaking the rules.


It is the same course of logic that also allows such models to turbo-boost. Although they are not jetbikes, part of 'moving as a jetbike' is the ability to turbo-boost. In other words, Turbo-boosting is a form of special movement that Jetbikes are allowed to do. Which means that models which 'move as a jetbike' get to use that rule because that rule is part of what moving as a jetbike is.

Red_Lives wrote:I believe they may run, although it will never ever come up since they may turbo-boost, so its really a mute point.

Not so. Turbo-boost has a minimum distance to cover which could be more than the necron player wants to move. Run would be preferable in this case. In any event, because the FAQ says they move as jetbikes then clearly wraiths cannot run.

@Olympia.

I think you are mixing up the rule (97% sure of it). Turbo boost allows them to move up to 24".

The 18" thing is only to claim a cover save they prob. don't need.

So they can just move 13-17" if they wanted too...with less randomness.

Sanctjud wrote:@Olympia.

I think you are mixing up the rule (97% sure of it). Turbo boost allows them to move up to 24".

The 18" thing is only to claim a cover save they prob. don't need.

So they can just move 13-17" if they wanted too...with less randomness.

I could certainly be mistaken. Don't have the rulebook handy.

Still they can only use turbo booster if bend the rules, FAQ or not they don't have the USR. One has to wonder if GW will ever fix its rules so they work without tweaking.