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ShumaGorath wrote:Orkeo was right. I think your reasons are BS as you have explained them previously.

Enlighten me. My reasons for being anti-gay marriage or are you assuming I'm a homophobe.

I don't recall posting my views on gay marriage in any thread but please do copy/paste something I said that would lead you to believe I'm a homophobe.

Not agreeing with the gay lifestyle does not mean I hate them or fear them. I've gone to gay bars with straight friends as part of a group. I didn't cower in the corner or pick fights with them over the direction they swing.

Having a phobia of something is fearing it. I don't fear gays so please tell me how me being anti-gay marriage makes me afraid of gays because I don't ever recall saying I was, in any thread so please show me proof (which is impossible as I know others posts can be edited to change what's said).

Enlighten me. My reasons for being anti-gay marriage or are you assuming I'm a homophobe.

Lemme backtrack to find a thread where they've been discussed. To save myself time is it "protection of the standard of marriage as between a man and a woman, but I'm pro civil unions"? Thats the one I remember you have, also something about it being unnatural, but that one could have been green git or even trench raider.

Fateweaver wrote:

Not agreeing with the gay lifestyle does not mean I hate them or fear them. I've gone to gay bars with straight friends as part of a group.

...because we were part of a group, but the only people in the group who I was friends with were straight, but there were gay people in the group, but I was friends with the straight people in the group, just to be really clear, because I'm so not gay, so we went to a gay bar and I didn't pick a fight or anything, so I must like them or at least not have anything against them!





You go girlfriend!!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Good one, Stompa. One of my favorite versions of the Pimpernel!

Yeah, I think he's great in that movie, plays a fop really well.

Also a good diffuser for the heated thread, since it's once of about 4 running at high temperatures atm.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Enlighten me. My reasons for being anti-gay marriage or are you assuming I'm a homophobe.

Lemme backtrack to find a thread where they've been discussed. To save myself time is it "protection of the standard of marriage as between a man and a woman, but I'm pro civil unions"? Thats the one I remember you have, also something about it being unnatural, but that one could have been green git or even trench raider.

Not my quote. Only unions recognized by the church should be between man and woman. I'm anti-gay marriage because I, believing in the Bible and what Christianity sees as right and wrong, am opposed to gay marriage. I don't fear gays nor do I hate them or despise them, I just don't agree with the lifestyle.

To MGS:

Way to attack what I said. I was friends with everyone in the group, the 2 gay men and the 1 gay woman included in that list of friends. We went because it was the birthday of one of the gay men and naturally they didn't feel comfortable going to a straight bar being gay so we, as a collective, decided to take the safest route for them and that was to go where they were most comfortable and felt the safest. I was the only one in my group uncomfortable with going to a gay bar (first time ever and as pointed out I don't agree with it but I can still befriend people that are gay) so I did have reservations about it. Were I homophobic like some people like to think I am I wouldn't have agreed and after having a few drinks in me upon being persuaded to go probably would have been thrown out for starting fights or running my mouth.

I don't hate my liberal friends.

Anyway, this thread is turning into another flame-war thread. I make the comment I agree with him on certain things and suddenly it ends up into another thread full of attacks. Guess nothing changed in the 72 hours I was gone.

Hey Stompa, does that mean you are going to gallantly charge in and dashingly save sweet lady Lunahound from the clutches of the dastardly Mods next time she faces a ban?

Orlanth wrote:

Hey Stompa, does that mean you are going to gallantly charge in and dashingly save sweet lady Lunahound from the clutches of the dastardly Mods next time she faces a ban?

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erm...

Not my quote. Only unions recognized by the church should be between man and woman. I'm anti-gay marriage because I, believing in the Bible and what Christianity sees as right and wrong, am opposed to gay marriage. I don't fear gays nor do I hate them or despise them, I just don't agree with the lifestyle.

My bad, the religious foundation of reasoning was always the strongest, derived more from historical teaching than from bunk logic or confusion arguments of naturalization. I still don't agree but It's certainly a better argument than what I thought you had.

Hmm, admitting you are wrong.

I must be in some alternate reality today. LOL.

Just playing.

I just take offense when someone calls me homophobic as hating and fearing gays is not the same as disagreeing with how they live their life.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Orlanth wrote:

Hey Stompa, does that mean you are going to gallantly charge in and dashingly save sweet lady Lunahound from the clutches of the dastardly Mods next time she faces a ban?

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erm...

I wil take that as a maybe.

Fateweaver wrote:I just take offense when someone calls me homophobic as hating and fearing gays is not the same as disagreeing with how they live their life.

Well if you only disagree with how they 'live their life' then that's ok then, or is it ok because you (the old excuses are aways the best) 'have gay friends'?

*Choo! Choo!* here comes the be offended train. Next stop, you! Thank god you're not my friends. you are very much a homophobe and a bad friend to boot.

You have no super powers, you are not an immortal being, your of no higher standing than anyone else, your not frazz.

You cannt dictate how someone else lives thier life.
Just because you do not agree, it does not make someone else wrong.

Anyway, just thought i'd chime into an argument for once

Depends on who you ask. Poking 8yo boys in the butt is wrong to most people but not wrong to the ones who do it or fantasize about it.

It's not because I have gay friends that I don't hate or fear gays. Even without liberal friends I wouldn't hate or fear liberals (well I fear what they will do to this country over the next 3 years but I don't fear them personally). I know I won't become "liberal" being around them (if I do I'll use my .45 on myself).

So no Spiggot, I don't not hate gays because I'm friends with them. Though I must admit I love watching lesbians....only if they are hot though.

Does make me wonder what your problem with the lifestyle is though. Not as if it harms anyone not willing to participate.

And please do be careful about using Paedophilia as an alternate example when discussing homosexuality. Not saying you are comparing the two, but it can be construed that way, and nobody needs that conversation.

Anyways, dragging things back on track.

I actually agreed with a Tory Policy once, and emailed 'Call Me Dave' to say so. Still not going to vote for him though, especially as it turned out to be just another soundbite to appease the press and pretend they actually have policies! It was about giving dolescum a finite timescale for their handouts before they'd be forced to do something to contribute to the society they leech off.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I actually agreed with a Tory Policy once, and emailed 'Call Me Dave' to say so. Still not going to vote for him though, especially as it turned out to be just another soundbite to appease the press and pretend they actually have policies! It was about giving dolescum a finite timescale for their handouts before they'd be forced to do something to contribute to the society they leech off.

Such a thing already exists, it's called 'Contribution Based Job Seekers Allowance'. Of course it doesn't affect households with no working adults. The previous solution was to write these people off as 'sick' to reduce the 'unemployment' figures.

Next election day vote: non of the above!

They might as well just print up blank sheets, so you have a one in X chance of voting for the party you actually want.

They'll of course know that say, Box One is Labour, Two is Tory, Three is Lib Dems for purposes of counting. Could even make politics interesting!

They're all the bloody same anyways!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:They're all the bloody same anyways!

I only choose a party when the BNP (or similar) are in town. I don't like voting tactically but sometimes I feel I must.

It's just my religious views and thus I don't support gay marriage or gay relationships. I don't apologize if I offend anyone with my view.

I also understand that paedophilia is not similar to gay relationship but from a religious standpoint both are sins, that while one is construed to be worst than the others, are still both condemnable by your average Christian person.

I don't want to derail this into a religious thread because I know it'll lead to a flame war and mods handing out warnings/bans/suspensions.

Let's just say I don't agree with it and believe in it and leave it at that. Don't care if nobody gets hurt or not.

Fateweaver wrote:It's just my religious views... ...I don't want to derail this into a religious thread.

Then don't hide behind your religion, your bigotry is all your own.

Fateweaver wrote:I also understand that paedophilia is not similar to gay relationship but from a religious standpoint both are sins, that while one is construed to be worst than the others, are still both condemnable by your average Christian person.

Death to idolators, blasphemers and adulterers eh? No they do not have the same standing at all, they are entirely different, it is clear that you don't understand that.

Fateweaver wrote:Let's just say I don't agree with it and believe in it and leave it at that. Don't care if nobody gets hurt or not... ...I don't apologize if I offend anyone with my view.

Then in my book you have no right to call foul when someone offends you by pointing out that you're a homophobe (an anti gay bigot).

George Spiggott wrote:Then in my book you have no right to call foul when someone offends you by pointing out that you're a homophobe (an anti gay bigot).

That's funny. Why are the people that scream loudest about intolerance always calling names and generally being intolerant of dissent?

Not agreeing with gay marriage does not make one a homophobe any more than putting AMDRO on an anthill makes one an myrmecophobe.

The Green Git wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Then in my book you have no right to call foul when someone offends you by pointing out that you're a homophobe (an anti gay bigot).

That's funny. Why are the people that scream loudest about intolerance always calling names and generally being intolerant of dissent?

Not agreeing with gay marriage does not make one a homophobe any more than putting AMDRO on an anthill makes one an myrmecophobe.

Green Git wins the Game for using "myrmecophobe" in a sentence.

Fateweaver wrote:Depends on who you ask. Poking 8yo boys in the butt is wrong to most people but not wrong to the ones who do it or fantasize about it.

Just because someone is willing to do it, doesn't mean that they think it isn't wrong. You've said in other recent threads that you were willing to execute people. Do you not think killing is wrong?




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The Green Git wrote:
That's funny. Why are the people that scream loudest about intolerance always calling names and generally being intolerant of dissent?

Not agreeing with gay marriage does not make one a homophobe any more than putting AMDRO on an anthill makes one an myrmecophobe.

Because they desire tolerance to certain notions, and not others. This isn't a difficult concept. In fact, you're invoking it right now.

The Green Git wrote:That's funny. Why are the people that scream loudest about intolerance always calling names and generally being intolerant of dissent?

Not agreeing with gay marriage does not make one a homophobe any more than putting AMDRO on an anthill makes one an myrmecophobe.

You seen to have got a 'liberal' viewpoint and some sort of 'magic fairy land' mixed up. That's not funny it's tragic.

You're almost correct on you second point, the important missing point is the reason you put AMDRO (whatever that is) on an anthill. Legitimate reasons for being against gay marriage are far and few between in this thread.

George Spiggott wrote:You seen to have got a 'liberal' viewpoint and some sort of 'magic fairy land' mixed up. That's not funny it's tragic.

Dude... what the feth does that even mean?

George Spiggott wrote:You're almost correct on you second point, the important missing point is the reason you put AMDRO (whatever that is) on an anthill.

No, I am exactly right on that point and you just proved it. If you don't know the REASON someone is against gay marriage then you can't legitimately call them a homophobe. But of course I forget libs are mind readers who know the hearts of men and correctly judge all.

Oh wait, that's God. Forget that last part. They're still intolerant name calling hate speech spewing bigots.

@ The Green Git: Read Fateweaver's posts, he gave a reason. It wasn't good enough.

George Spiggott wrote:@ The Green Git: Read Fateweaver's posts, he gave a reason. It wasn't good enough.

That's asking an awful lot of him.

George Spiggott wrote:@ The Green Git: Read Fateweaver's posts, he gave a reason. It wasn't good enough.

For you. Who made you the Commissioner of the Thought Police?

Fateweaver is not dragging people behind cars, burning down houses or even protesting. People have a right to hold opinions different than your own. That isn't illegal, and isn't even immoral.

Doesn't saying his reasons aren't "good enough" makes you intolerant? Isn't that really saying "You have no right to hold certain beliefs"?

I need a reason other than I find it immoral religiously to be against gay marriage?

Flame baiting me is not going to win you the thread.

As to pedo's vs gay couples. The Christian church for the most part looks down on both, maybe not equally but they are both a sin, both against most organized religions. You have a problem with that concept it's not my fault, I didn't write the Bible.

What other reason do I need to give you people for being against gay marriage? Perhaps it's because God gave men a certain sexual organ and a female the opposite sexual organ for breeding purposes and the anus was not meant to be a sexual organ nor was the human race designed to reproduce regardless of who has sex with who. Men were not designed by God or nature to breed with other men or women breed with women. God so help the male who ever tries to pop a baby out of his arsehole.

Contrary to what movies and music videos preach, our ability to have sex was meant for one thing: breeding. Not just getting ourselves off.

So yeah, maybe that is the 2nd point. That it's not something nature or God intended (tis the reason male/male coupling of other species has never and will never take place).

For me though it's about my religious views. Don't like my reason for being against gay marriage too goddamned bad is what I say. If my being anti-gay marriage offends you too goddamned bad. If you are gay or bi, good for you and I hope you are happy but don't go preaching to me that it's somehow right or normal because in my view it's not.

End. Of.

I don't fear Christians, or hate them, I just think that they should be excluded from the basic institutions of society because they disagree with my religious beliefs.