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But in the HH books arent most of the primarchs described as about 9 feet tall? Still much taller then Sigmar would be... unless Im thinking of something else and primarchs arent actually that big.

Wouldn't Sigmar in power armour be around that height?

I dont think power armor adds 2 feet to your height... and that assuming hes 7 feet tall

In Legion, at various times captains are passing for Alpharius, and both Alpharius and Omegron pass as normal marines. So they can't be that much different. I think the whole '9 ft tall' is also an exaggeration, the books suggest that marines are roughly 7ft and primachs only slightly larger. I doubt most of them reached 8ft. Magnus and possibly Russ would have been the exceptions, and that leaves the Emperor himself as the 9ft one.

On a related note, keeping track of who is what marine and who they are pretending to do is a real headache in that book. Very Alpha Legion.

Buttlerthepug wrote:I dont think power armor adds 2 feet to your height... and that assuming hes 7 feet tall

The pualdrons! THE PUALDRONS!!!

I used to like to pretend that warhammer and 40k were the same [ at one point in RT days they kinda were...]

and that sigmar = emperor and the fate of mankind would be settled on one planet where technology was literally reset to the dark ages with mankind against the forces of chaos...of course other races felt left out so they landed on the warhammer world but the gods of chaos and order stripped them of their knowledge of technology as well...

i like this idea, i guess being as the warp is .. you know "the warp" it could be feasible.

It makes sense. Heck, between the 2k and 30k anything could have happened.

I like this.

The Old Ones (And their secret "Power Weapons"), The Chaos Gods, and various other things along the way always made me feel like WHFB was happening at the same time as 40k. I love that idea.

Sigmar as a primarch rules IMO.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I wish people could just grasp the fact that GW can run two games...

I mean, LotR isn't a planet...

Or is it?

Well that would explain the hobbits..................The squats survived!

All those people talking about sigmar's height are missing one crucial detail. What is the average height of a man in the warhammer world? Maybe they have a low gravtational pull and hence are tall?

Grimm wrote:I heard that the WHFB world was in the warp. I also thought that Sigmar could be a primarch but there is no official fluff that says we are correct.

RT era 40k books mention that the WHFB world is a feral world on the edge of the Eye of Terror.


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Morgrim wrote:In Legion, at various times captains are passing for Alpharius, and both Alpharius and Omegron pass as normal marines. So they can't be that much different. I think the whole '9 ft tall' is also an exaggeration, the books suggest that marines are roughly 7ft and primachs only slightly larger. I doubt most of them reached 8ft. Magnus and possibly Russ would have been the exceptions, and that leaves the Emperor himself as the 9ft one.

On a related note, keeping track of who is what marine and who they are pretending to do is a real headache in that book. Very Alpha Legion.

Y'know I'm about 20% taller than my sister, it is possible the Primarchs were different heights. or used psychic glamors from time to time.

It has long been a fanbase theory that warhammer fantasy world was a feral world (fallen to mideival tech levels) somewhere in the 40k galaxy- long lost, forgotten, and unrecovered. And that the world is near or within the Warp/eye of terror (thus, magic works), and is having some troubles with daemons, and beastmen (lets just call them the lost 13'th!! haha), and such.

The High elf codex talks about how the polar portal things are their crafted defence from the taging WARP all around the world, and the constant war to keep the daemons and Chaos out. So, maybe the WHFB world was originally an Eldar Exodite(primitive) colony world, with its typical Ork and Humanity infestations muddying up the works.

Skaven desire things called WARP STONES, afterall, dont they? Isnt that hint enough that warp altered rocks are falling from... up/out there?

And so on and so forth, the connections could be pointed out and explained for ever.

Presuming that Sigmar is a lost Primarch is a nice touch- a little extra what-if that further does what all fluff theories do: they make us fans smile and wonder about it all. A lost Primarch weilding a relic Thunder Hammer WOULD pretty much be King in that world of wagonwheels and flintlocks now, woudlnt he?

That doesn't answer the question of why his legion would be destroyed/folded into the others and Sigmar considered lost, then.

Unless it was the crafting of the portal itself (the explosion of chaos into the world sounds suspiciously like the birth of Slaanesh) that happened to cut off all the psykic signals in or out. It is implied that the Emperor had at least a vague sense of where all the primachs were, there are way too many worlds in the Imperium to have found them otherwise.If you can narrow it to a few star systems searching out an individual with that power is much simpler. If, however, the Emperor suddenly felt that connection snapping and then could not find trace of the primach he'd assume they'd been killed. Covering their (likely unfinished) statue in a mourning shroud seems likely and records would be destroyed under his orders because admitting that one of his primachs had been lost before they were found would be a major psychological blow to the Imperium; primachs were seen as practically invincible.

There is recent evidence to suggest that the two are indeed considered the same universe by GW. In the Book Liber Chaotica the Empire scholar tasked with cataloguing Chaos is cursed with feverish dreams that show him the Legions of the eye of terror, and he even mentions several chaos lords by name (the best of which is when he is noting the juxtaposition of the fact; that to him the Empire’s greatest emperor of antiquity: “Magnus the Pious” shares a name with Tzeentch’s greatest Daemon Prince: the thousand sons Primarch “Magnus”).

Collinsas wrote:There is recent evidence to suggest that the two are indeed considered the same universe by GW. In the Book Liber Chaotica the Empire scholar tasked with cataloguing Chaos is cursed with feverish dreams that show him the Legions of the eye of terror, and he even mentions several chaos lords by name (the best of which is when he is noting the juxtaposition of the fact; that to him the Empire’s greatest emperor of antiquity: “Magnus the Pious” shares a name with Tzeentch’s greatest Daemon Prince: the thousand sons Primarch “Magus”).

There's a more explicit reference; it talks about the mighty wizard Magnus, favoured of Tzenntch, who fought beside his thousand sons of sorcerous power. This was meant to have been in the far past before the memories of most records of men (likely because the scholars didn't know of it). But timelines are screwy around chaos in general and Tzeentch is particular so it could have been a prophetic vision.

Or just an amusing easter egg.

Morgrim wrote:In Legion, at various times captains are passing for Alpharius, and both Alpharius and Omegron pass as normal marines. So they can't be that much different. I think the whole '9 ft tall' is also an exaggeration, the books suggest that marines are roughly 7ft and primachs only slightly larger. I doubt most of them reached 8ft. Magnus and possibly Russ would have been the exceptions, and that leaves the Emperor himself as the 9ft one.

On a related note, keeping track of who is what marine and who they are pretending to do is a real headache in that book. Very Alpha Legion.

that may be a underlining psychic power Alpharius has just as Corax has ways of disapearing without going invisible by mind melding Alpharius may be able to do something similar to it to make him look similar to his fellow legionares and isn't there images of a space marine compared to there primachs in the Horus Heresy sketchings (don't know where my copy is at the moment but I think it was fulgrim and one of his captains)

IvanTih wrote:I feel sorry for S*** because GW imprisoned them there and they are using them as cheap labor for sculpting miniatures.

That might be why their prices keep on going up - the Squat slaves have unionised and keep demanding more pay to hand carve each model from huge chunks of plastic and metal.

I don't know, the HH books specifically states that a Primarch is about as much taller than an Astartes as an Astartes is bigger than a human, and in at least one of the novels (Fulgrim) An Astartes in full terminator armor still had to look up at a Primarch. So, in HH at least, the Primarchs are what could only be described as, from our point of view, freakishly large.

I've made this point before and say it againg. MAybe in WHFB everyone is 9ft

idget wrote:I've made this point before and say it againg. MAybe in WHFB everyone is 9ft

As it turns out, I just started reading the Nagash Time of Legends book and literally on the second page it says, "Like all the people of Ka-Sabar, he was a giant, standing at almost seven feet tall."

Well I think this pretty much states that people are normal sized in WHFB... Being that people around seven tall are considered giants compared to others...

Edit: In the Sigmar books hes not considered a giant in hieght either, so you can assume he is merely a normal (but rather strong and bulky) human... not an astounding nine feet tall.

A primarch is still massive though and can be as big a warboss.