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@Nurglitch
Ok, hahaha, I was a bit heavy on the hyperbole, but point for point, Ezekiel is not the greatest, in fact he is one of the worst. Tigerius got boned too, this time around. Ezekiel was one of the first characters I painted well though, so I have a soft place in my heart for him. Too bad he got the old shaft.

@Schnitzel
With Azreal, I could definitely see him being a lot better as it gets around his lack of invul save, but that is a hyper expensive squad.

I hope the DA's get better, they have always been a step behind. Even in the old Angels of Death codex, which was BA and DA, they were clearly inferior.

Here's to hoping! As long as JJ doesn't write it it should stand a chance.

Are they worth it? When Blood Angels come out I'm going to field nothing BUT Assault Marines. That huge threat range is not to be underestimated.

Reecius wrote:
@Schnitzel
With Azreal, I could definitely see him being a lot better as it gets around his lack of invul save, but that is a hyper expensive squad.

Oh it's pricey as *radda* but with 2 attacks base, so 3 total, 4 on the charge (+1 because of the bolt pistol!) per Vet with a power weapon, and Vets being the only squad you can upgrade by the model instead of 5 models at a time, give yourself 8 of them, run them with Zeke and Azrael, stick them in a Phobos Land Raider, and you've got a nasty squad that can hit amazingly hard. Sounds like a nasty move for an Apocalypse game actually...

@Owain, For Blood Angels, Assault Marines can do you no wrong. It's fluffy and killy.

Radda.

Grab a Power Fist good for vechical and any T4 models who just won't die. (MY FRIENDS ORK NOB)

Oh it's pricey as *radda* but with 2 attacks base, so 3 total, 4 on the charge (+1 because of the bolt pistol!) per Vet with a power weapon, and Vets being the only squad you can upgrade by the model instead of 5 models at a time, give yourself 8 of them, run them with Zeke and Azrael, stick them in a Phobos Land Raider, and you've got a nasty squad that can hit amazingly hard. Sounds like a nasty move for an Apocalypse game actually...

Yeah, that would be a lot of pain.

@ Schnitzel: I am planning to play a standard 1,500 point game. I don't know my opponents yet but I'm sure to be facing some CSM armies.

Generally, DA may be more expensive than normal SM, but IMO the SM codex was overdone. Free weapons for tac squads and so on is just too much.