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The weapons are nice! I like the second head too! Now so much into the Darth Vader helmet and the bodies though...

PIC 1:
Pro: Plastic Greatcoat infantry

Con:
Vadar Mask: Really? Throw on a modern gask mask with a smaller canister then 40mm nato and be done with it.
Deltoid Protectors: Way too bulky for anything thats supposed to be a guard stand in. Look at Point Blank vests and their Deltoid protection for how I feel this should look like.
Gloved Hand: Sorry, but the hand looks really.... I dunno... off. Cant narrow it down more then that sadly. I just looks off.
Weapon: Too bulky. Gives this guy a Backpack tank, a connecting feed, and a more WW1 style flame thrower and you are set. Also for the second hand, if your going to keep this style design for the love of god give him a top side handle. The way he is holding it now just isnt good.
Greatcoat lower half: Already beaten to death. See above comments
Boots: They look like they are made from soft leather that is melting off his legs and feet. See Trench Boots for a better reference on how to fix this.

PIC 2:
Pro: Yeah, sorry... None that I can see

Con:
Mask: Horrible. Just plain horrible. Its like a elongated welding mask rejection. Anything is better then this.
Everything else listed above add here
Gun: Way too big. Its the size of a frigging Mk 19 just about! Make it smaller, add an assault handle and be done with it.

Pic 3:
Yeah.... Sorry, dont like these at all. So much useless stuff added that makes NO sense at all. Bravo for the attempt though.

As it stands right now if these went into production... I would have to replace the heads, Weapons, and if possible the shoulder pads. Don't care how cheap these will be, thats not worth it in my book.

lord_blackfang wrote:You know they're supposed to be GW heroic scale, right?

Sorry im alittle confused... is that SD proportion based off real scale ,
or SD based off GW sculpts

GW models are badly deformed, if you compare them with accurate scale models.

Yeah, really, considering our current options are this

and this


I find it hard to find fault in WGF anatomy and proportion.

jp400 wrote:Yeah.... Sorry, dont like these at all. So much useless stuff added that makes NO sense at all. Bravo for the attempt though.

"Bravo for the attempt"? No company should be commended for the effort they put into something if the results are substandard. These models were always designed as 40k proxies, and as it stands, I don't see too many 40k players lining up to buy them, so by all standards, WGF have failed dismally, partially because the process has at every stage been too open for conflicting fan ideas to sway it, and for lack of a coherent creative vision.

The funny bit is that given how long these have been in the making, people who instigated this project would've spent their time better saving up for the Death Korps they obviously wanted but could not afford.

Oh do not get me wrong, these models in my eyes are horrible. However, at least they are trying.

And im also abit shocked that with the way Gw has been of late, these guys havent recieved a C&D in the mail just from all the "Turn this Gw product into something cheaper" requests/threads they have on the main site.

I've been participating on the WF forums as well, and I'm pretty happy with these so far. The are at least as well proportioned as the current GW plastic offerings, and I don't think that the flowing coats will look nearly so billowy in actual size. As to the gloves, and some of the weapons choices, It's probably best to wait til the final product comes out, as these are all in-progress designs.

That said, if they were sold today, I'd be line for a platoon worth. Even if I used IG arms (or just weapons) and pig-iron heads (which I probably will) it'd still be a good deal, and a good way to put together some unique looking IG.

Lastly, sure it's been along time to wait so far. But I'd much rather wait and work on other projects in the mean time than devote all my hobby funds to buying 1/6th as many DKoK.

See I was part of the pre-order with these but I have to say their origonal gun reminds me of a paintball autococker. I hope they change it, and I for one love the heads.

Ditch the pauldrons I say.

It shows you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Perhaps they should do an options kit with different styles of head, shoulder and gun.

Kilkrazy wrote:It shows you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Perhaps they should do an options kit with different styles of head, shoulder and gun.

Yeah, I agree with what someone stated earlier; they made a mistake releasing their concepts, too many different opinions.

I don't think releasing the concepts is a bad thing in itself. The problem here was more that they didn't stick to their guns.

Releasing the initial concept, sculpting that version, and revisiting the idea later for variant designs would seem to have been a better idea. Would have allowed for a more coherent theme on each, rather than trying to please everyone with the one design.

Of course, it's more expensive to do it that way...

For those who have participated in earlier Wargames Factory L&U products, did earlier L&U releases have this much customer involvement and this many in progress renders?

From what I heard, the zombies and Colonial brits were out in record time. On the other hand, this is their first stab at a product that is a bit more open-ended in design.

I was involved with this early on and had to get out of it because of the nazi attitude of certain people and the constant bickering. That being said I think that the end result is looking good. Not great...good.

As to jp400's opinions on the models. With regard to the proportions of the models. I doubt your review would be any better on ANY heroically scaled model. They are this scale for a reason and proportions are supposed to be off. As to the personal complaints about this and that with the rest of the models. That is your opinion and I respect your right to have it, but I actually like several aspects such as the helmet. I agree completely about your flamer complaint. It just sucks balls. And the heavy gun option is rather bulky and has alot of useless stuff attached to it. I do like the bull pup assault rifle though and fully plan to turn mine into shotguns.

the first guys helmet looks like the dark lord. not to good imo.

They could be nice but they look out of proportions and the pose is ridiculously bad, they ain't selling any to me if they look like that.

Interestingly, in the latest edition of BOW's "On the Table" vidcast, there's a full 360 pan of a completed model that I've not seen anywhere else. I'm no expert but the body looked pretty good there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yASADL1iwuI

Look for it around the 16 minute mark.

Goodbye heads, hello awesome modes.

The head on the first guy is pretty nice. The weapons are very reminiscent of the "prawn" guns from D9.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Interestingly, in the latest edition of BOW's "On the Table" vidcast, there's a full 360 pan of a completed model that I've not seen anywhere else. I'm no expert but the body looked pretty good there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yASADL1iwuI

Look for it around the 16 minute mark.

Nice catch! As much as I like BOW, I wouldn't normally watch a 20 minute weekly summary of TGN.
That render looks very nice, considering the low price.

Eilif wrote:
That said, if they were sold today, I'd be line for a platoon worth. Even if I used IG arms (or just weapons) and pig-iron heads (which I probably will) it'd still be a good deal, and a good way to put together some unique looking IG.

Those are my plans exactly!

Anyone knows when they are supposed to be released?

I'd still get a box or two to play around with conversions. I must be the only one here who likes the look of the guns.

PhantomViper wrote:
Anyone knows when they are supposed to be released?

Haven't seen any dates announced, I would not hold my breath, but hey you never know.

I think you'd want to see this.

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/02/17/33707

Beasts of War has gotten their mitts on a prototype 3D print of these. it shows the pieces separate, assembled and painted, and with a Kasrkin for scale comparison (making the caveat that the finished plastic model would be about 1mm shorter, doubtless for some arcane reasons relating to the process). Check it out and see if the wait has been worth it.

This gave me a tingly feeling in my special place. I dont care about all the people that are now going to say how horrible this looks and that it should not be made, etc. They can all get strange facial growths for all I care. I like them and I will be building a platoon of them to add to my guard.

me likey. this will definitely push me over the edge into starting a guard army considering how reasonable their prices are.

Well, if the sprues have enough extra parts that look interesting I might invest in some space nazis for some space opera.

Having seen the prototype in the video, I'm very impressed. I'm definitely going to get some of these.

Any ides on what paints the Beasts Of War guys used on the figure?