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Turned out nice. The gun, which was my point of concern previously, has become quite an attractive feature.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

ROFL

With as much paintball as I play why the hell didnt I see that earlier!

In The Grim Darkness Of The Future, There Is Only AutoCocker! Pap! Pap! Pap! Pap!...........Hit! )

The video put these guys on my to buy list. I think I´ll grab a squad or two to use as veterans.

M.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

Probably because the guys at WGF are rubbish at actually creating stuff, they're much more comfortable at copying something that already exists. Which of course serves them adequately when making Romans and Vikings, but means that they have no business making sci-fi models. I suppose we should be grateful the guys aren't armed with WW2 rifles and MG42s.

@Aga2: don't get me wrong, it's a good copy of a drop-tank paintball marker with an autococker - it's just that I don't see those as far future weapons.

That said, a high-pressure marker is arguably more lethal than a lasgun, so maybe there's something to it?

I'm not sure, but the guns in that video didn't quite look like that image, so they might have changed it a bit since then.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

Probably because the guys at WGF are rubbish at actually creating stuff, they're much more comfortable at copying something that already exists. Which of course serves them adequately when making Romans and Vikings, but means that they have no business making sci-fi models. I suppose we should be grateful the guys aren't armed with WW2 rifles and MG42s.

To be honest I have to agree with you. They seem to have a pretty bad concept/creation system going there, most of their gun ideas are whack, the greatcoats are different lengths at different parts (the bottom is flat), and some of the aesthetic choices are mismatching styles.

The most important thing:
How much does it cost?

RUNE wrote:The most important thing:
How much does it cost?

If they price them like their Roman line, it would be $30 (USD) for 48 figures. At that price, I don't much care about nitpicky stuff.

At this moment it is by the sprue and I would believe that is 4 to 5 of them for $5.00 their abouts. You can sign up for them already on their Liberty League area. Plus the more people order the fast they will produce them.

Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

I can appreciate that this is their first foray into creating something unique and not readily available via other miniatures companies. I wouldn't call them "rubbish" especially given the fact that they are in their infancy as a company and trying a concept that allows people to direct them in what they make for the masses. But to each his own opinion ...

For me, I really like the look that they have pulled together for them. Irregardless of detail issues (shoulder pads, coat billows) and personal preference (I would have done this or that...) I will gladly get some of these for use as Heretics and Planetary Defense Troops. They'll be inexpensive enough for me to get plenty for both and they're still "gothic" enough to fit into a 40K theme for my tastes. And I can throw them at my Dark Heresy RPG players without them immediately assuming they are allies or adversaries.

Good stuff, IMO.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

I'll be curious to see what these price out as. A per-sprue price will likely only be available at first to those who pre-order or as a limited run like the vikings, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was lower than that. If it follows the other WF releases it will then be offered as a pack of figures, probably priced/packed similarly to the Zulu War British. As these are not kits with extra weapons sprues, I wouldn't be surprised if, after the pack comes out, they are available as a set only.

The real kicker will be seeing what they go for at discount online retailers.

Video has me convinced, they'll find themselves next to a bunch of my tanks soon. But I also heard they are going to end up "around" 19.95 for 18 of them.....that was from someone who works there....or about $1.11 per mini...(i think - his math not mine), as compared to $2.50 or more for other companies plastics...

Just shows how different a mini is when painted, not bad at all. Few things I'd have done differently but meh, overall they do the job.

I hope Wargames Factory do well from this.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

Fetterkey wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

MSRP is $22; we all know that 20-25% discounts are easily found on the internet.

Seriously. GW doesn't give you jack gak for IG options anymore. $22 for two flamers and two grenade launchers! YEAH, because every guard player spams those. I'd rather pay $30 for 20-30 guys and then pay forge world for well sculpted specials weapons

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Another testament to their failure. WGF went overboard with the amount of weapons, nitbits and head options on the sprue, when the only thing their potential customers care about is getting top-of-the-market quality at dirt cheap prices.

Fetterkey wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

The last time I checked, 20 Guardsmen were $35, so the price comparison is indeed correct. Only a fool wouldn't have bought prior to the rebox.

Pose-wise, I think GW gives more choices, given that WGF will have a maximum of 3 poses for 3 figures.

Only a fool? Not, say, someone who's just now starting a IG army and doesn't keep on the reboxing news?

That's be like me saying Only a Fool would start a DoW army...

Just got an e-mail from the folks at wargames factory it looks like it's going to be $5 sprue (3 figs per sprue) and box of 18 for $19.95.

Looks like I was right about the box, but wrong about the sprue availablility. I have to say I'm pretty impressed by those prices! Assuming that Warstore gives this set the same discount it gives other WF stuff, we're looking at $16 for 18 figs, or 89 cents a fig!

I like that alot, and it comes to just a hair over half the price of the GW cadians! Being the cheapskate that I am, it's pretty great to be able to buy a new box of good looking figs that cost the same as targeted price for buying used cadians.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The last time I checked, 20 Guardsmen were $35, so the price comparison is indeed correct. Only a fool wouldn't have bought prior to the rebox.

Pose-wise, I think GW gives more choices, given that WGF will have a maximum of 3 poses for 3 figures.

That was before GW shafted IG players. I bought old boxed troops before the switch, but the fact is now cadians/catachans are $22 for 10, or a 25% increase. Interestingly, with a 20% discount, the current pricing of 30 guardsmen is $52.3, and 30 sci fi greatcoats is $50. You can get an even bigger discount on the GW stuff to save more. You can't on the WGF. WGF has inferior quality sculpts, concepts (imo), weapons, range of bits, etc. I am generally disappointed in the Sci Fi greatcoats. Low quality, low bits options, low pose-ability. Same price as GW. Pass.

EDIT: seeing the 18 for $20 makes it a much better deal. Now I would consider them a possibility rather than totally inferior, but I still don't think that I would buy any.

I'm reserving judgement on these until I see the sprues. I am cautiously optimistic that they will provide a good, low-cost alternative to Imperial Guardsmen. They currently seem better than Catachans and roughly equivalent to Cadians in terms of quality, so I'm hopeful. I do feel that this release comes later than it should have, however. IMO if they had worked to get these out faster, when people were still building IG armies for the new Codex, they could have received a lot more sales.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:That's be like me saying Only a Fool would start a DoW army...

At this point, only a fool would start a DoW army.

Or start Chaos Dwarves, Squats, or Dark Eldar, for that matter.

All of these armies dead & buried until further notice from GW, and I wouldn't advise anybody to start any of them. At least, not in good conscience.

Still it's kinda silly to say that only a fool would buy IG now. What about people adding more squads, or someone just getting in to IG, or any of the other myriad reasons why someone might buy a current IG troops box.

You can't do comparisons to old pricing and old opportunities. Also, it's 18 for $20 vs. 20 for $35 so they are still way cheaper.

18 for 20 is good!
3 Boxes would have me sorted, more or less, for what I want to do.