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Frazz wrote:Whats freeky is that both of these movies were directed by the same guy. Its like Lukas. they take a few years off and get enamored with special effects and forget that whole plotline/writing/story thing. I blame the CLinton Whitehouse, and Liechtenstein. One day we'll make Leichtenstein pay for their evil!!!
I have heard accusations that George 'Luke Skywalker' Lucas, had very little to do with actually making the original Star Wars movies as magnificent as they were. It does seem like George has more business sense, than directorial finesse.
In terms of Cameron though, I have to say that I was disappointed in the direction he took this film. In his long history of film-making, he appears to have lost his touch, if not caved in entirely to the implications of shiny, shiny objects. Aliens 1, and 2, will continue to be a standard for sci-fi flicks for a very long time. Great flicks, truly fun to watch.
Avatar will get bowled over as soon as someone can gather the money to make shinier objects. I would not be surprised if it gets shut-down as a trend setter, in two years time. If people want shiny things, the future holds much of that.
Ravenous D wrote:I would prefer that version of "the blob" to win, it at least doesnt make me want to puke on sight.
I dont really see what the big deal about the hurt locker is, I watched it twice and it was okay, but not best picture material.
District 9 should win the hitler award for best genocidal messaging
RD edumakate me here. What movie are you referring to?
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Ravenous D wrote:I would prefer that version of "the blob" to win, it at least doesnt make me want to puke on sight.
I dont really see what the big deal about the hurt locker is, I watched it twice and it was okay, but not best picture material.
District 9 should win the hitler award for best genocidal messaging
Yea was it just me who got that the BG's were actually right. Now the squid boy and son are going to return with more armed squiddies and it could be very very bad for the evil humies when they return?
Precious aka "the blob" or the other name for it: "Giant Black Manatee" either way, it disturbs me more then any horror movie Ive ever seen, I got a few minutes into it before wanting to wretch.
As for District 9, I was wondering if anyone else got the underlining message that wiping poverty off the face of earth is better then throwing money into a bottomless hole.
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
Terminator-ground breaking, iconic
Aliens-ditto
Terminator II, Like T1 but on steroids
Titanic-love or don't love the chickflicky aspects, generally a well done film
Avatar-beginning cool, then discovers ferngully and goes to &^*%^. Dude what happened?
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Ravenous D wrote:As for District 9, I was wondering if anyone else got the underlining message that wiping poverty off the face of earth is better then throwing money into a bottomless hole.
Let's not get carried away here.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
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Frazzled wrote:Hurt Locker will win best picture, best director, or both. Avatar is devoid of anything but special effects. It will win all the special effects awards.
The Academy has a pretty solid record of rewarding films that advance the way in which films can be told. While Avatar is not the greatest artistic achievement of the year its technical achievements were massive. Hollywood is putting a lot of stake into the idea that 3D will keep people going to the movies and not just watching at home, and Avatar is the movie that's finally made 3D interesting to the public. It has a shot.
Hurt Locker is an extremely remote chance. It's a good film and the Academy loves films about current issues but no-one saw hurt locker. Name the last film that grossed $12 million that won Best Picture?
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Nurgleboy77 wrote:Never Mind....
Wait, Ingloriuos Basterds is in the running?
I mean it was entertaining every now and again but it was really stupid at times with pointless violence (yes,yes, Tarantino I know...)
Umm, there was a hell of a lot going on in Inglorious Basterds. It was probably the most layered film of the year. If anything, criticism could be made that the sheer volume of film analysis detracted from the telling of the film, but you certainly couldn't say it was mindless.
I don't think it'll win because the Academy doesn't tend to reward films about films, which is probably a sensible approach. Still, it was probably the best film of the year, along with A Serious Man. A Serious Man also won't win, as it grossed even less than Hurt Locker and is only there as it was a Coen Bros film.
I think the most likely winner is probably Up, as it is a terrific movie, made ridiculous bank at the box office, has a major studio behind it, and there'll be a lot of political momentum behind finally recnognising animation at the Oscars.
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Wrexasaur wrote:I have heard accusations that George 'Luke Skywalker' Lucas, had very little to do with actually making the original Star Wars movies as magnificent as they were. It does seem like George has more business sense, than directorial finesse.
It was his story, that he'd written and re-written and developed over a long time. He took more of a backseat with The Empire Strikes Back, with Irving Kershner directing and two people who's name I've forgotten providing the screenplay - Lucas just provided the general story. The story for Return of the Jedi was provided by Lucas and he did write, but the direction and most of the screenplay was written by other people.
Then you get to the prequels, which was all Lucas. You have neither the re-writes and constant streamlining work Lucas put into Star Wars, nor the steady hand of industry professionals. The result is, well, Episodes 1, 2 and 3.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:The Academy has a pretty solid record of rewarding films that advance the way in which films can be told. While Avatar is not the greatest artistic achievement of the year its technical achievements were massive. Hollywood is putting a lot of stake into the idea that 3D will keep people going to the movies and not just watching at home, and Avatar is the movie that's finally made 3D interesting to the public. It has a shot.
And there is an award for that... Visual effects. Good job Avatar, you did that very well.
The movie deserves the award, along with the possibility of Art direction, though I don't know the contenders, and would note off-hand, that there is nothing particularly interesting, IMHO, from Avatar in that department. The execution was fantastic, but I do not feel that is was beyond what Up! accomplished in terms of aesthetics alone.
I haven't seen Up! yet, although everyone seems to be saying it's good.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Wrexasaur wrote:And there is an award for that... Visual effects. Good job Avatar, you did that very well.
The movie deserves the award, along with the possibility of Art direction, though I don't know the contenders, and would note off-hand, that there is nothing particularly interesting, IMHO, from Avatar in that department. The execution was fantastic, but I do not feel that is was beyond what Up! accomplished in terms of aesthetics alone.
But while you or I might watch a film and like it or not, then consider its artistic merits later on, the Academy is filled with industry professionals and they don't look at things the same way. To them Avatar is a groundbreaking movie that has advanced technical film production by a very long way. That matters a lot.
Are you going to claim that Gone with the Wind was a better than Of Mice and Men or Mr Smith Goes to Washington? It wasn't, but it represented a new standard in technical production and that mattered a lot. You know how people complain that Citizen Kane was robbed when the Oscar was given to How Green was my Valley - they never mention The Maltese Falcon was also beaten that year. The Maltese Falcon is a better movie than Citizen Kane, but Citizen Kane advanced film technique more and that's what people felt should have been rewarded. Look at Chicago winning - because it (apparently at the time) heralded the return of the musical and the industry was pretty excited about that - it certainly wasn't as good as The Hours or The Pianist.
I'm not saying it's going to win, but it's a better chance than people in this thread are giving it. It's certainly a far stronger chance than a small production and box office blip like The Hurt Locker.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:I haven't seen Up! yet, although everyone seems to be saying it's good.
The first 15 minutes is a complete movie in itself - and a better movie than most you'll see. It's really worth watching.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Wrexasaur wrote:As a franchise, I have no doubts that Avatar could not hold a candle to Star Wars. Comparing the movies side by side, is also unfair, because Avatar was basically a one-off cgi face-feth, while Star Wars was an epic in all senses of the word.
The corporate hack from aliens, was a massively better character. I cannot remember his name, though... .
Burk
Carter J Burke.
It's funny because my brother's name is Conor Burke so the first time we watched the movie, we thought for a second that the corporate scumbag's name was Conor Burke.
I wonder if they knew what Berk meant in English when they gave him that name?
Seems a fitting name eh?
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sebster wrote:The Maltese Falcon is a better movie than Citizen Kane
While you are knowledgeable on many things and I enjoy reading your posts, your cinema aesthetic is just miserable. This statement encapsulates what is wrong. No onr is perfect though, so don't feel to bad. Even though you should. Very very bad.
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Ahtman wrote:While you are knowledgeable on many things and I enjoy reading your posts, your cinema aesthetic is just miserable.
I get told that a bit. Well, the second part, not so much the first
So are you saying you liked Citizen Kane, or you didn't like The Maltese Falcon?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
