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SPARKEYG wrote:Slippery Slope is a fallacy. If they put more ads than this then maybe one would have reason to discuss it w/ the developers otherwise why waste the energy?

the internet called and said hi. also, it told me to tell you that it's not a fallacy. advertising will find a way into everything, becoming more and more obtrusive until people complain TOO loudly and the disadvantages outweigh the benefits. that's the way it is online, on tv, and on the street.

warboss wrote:
the internet called and said hi. also, it told me to tell you that it's not a fallacy. advertising will find a way into everything, becoming more and more obtrusive until people complain TOO loudly and the disadvantages outweigh the benefits. that's the way it is online, on tv, and on the street.

Yeah, tell the internet I said to get back to work and to stop surfing those porn sites.

If the advertising becomes intrusive and takes away from the functionality of the product, then I think complaints are warranted. As is, I'm surprised people have taken this much time to decry this move.

I had to think back. I do remember seeing the ad when I updated last. i didn't think anything of it and soon forgot all about it.

If it gets more intrusive or starts printing out on the sheets I would most likely stop giving them any money. As it is, meh. It's there I only see it when I do an update (which isn't often) it's fine.

agnosto wrote:

ubermosher wrote:So by that logic, when you guys go to a movie and pay $10 admission but then see ads for Mountain Dew or whatever before the movie starts, do you leave and demand a refund?

Apples and oranges. I'm not paying $30 for a movie and if I want, I can watch the movie on DVD and have 0 ads. If they're going to advertise, they should charge less. Now they've just joined the ranks of adware.

I take it, then, you've not encountered one of the increasing-common DVDs where it's impossible to skip the trailers that start upon disc insertion?

The strangest thing about the ads in AB is that if your license has expired, you DON'T see them.

I just figured I would pop in here to shed a little light on the "ads" that some are decrying within Army Builder.

First of all, the "ads" have been there for about EIGHT YEARS, dating back to the days of V2.x. The key difference is that they traditionally have focused on our own products - not other company's products. That being said, we've actually had ads for other stuff at various points in time, including a few new games that were launched over the years. In fact, we even had ads for DakkaDakka itself back in 2006. Yes, you read that correctly - this very website was "advertised" within AB. Russ contacted us about some cross-promotion ideas that resulted in increased visibility for everyone, so we did it. No one said a word back then, so the complaints now come as quite a surprise.

The ads for Battlefoam are similar what we did with DakkaDakka. We're doing a cross-promotion effort to increase visibility of both products. No one is paying anyone. It's purely something that we felt would be beneficial for everyone - including the fans. The Battlefoam folks make great products, and they felt the same way about us, so some extra exposure for both products to gamers that have only heard of one of them is a net win for everyone. If there are other products in the industry that we believe are high in quality, we'll be open to cross-promotions with them as well in the future.

Since a few people may be reading more into this, allow me to clarify how the "ads" work. The "ads" only appear within the Updates mechanism. That's where they've been appearing for almost a decade. It makes sense to include them there because that's where users are looking for data files or product updates, so it's a perfect time for them to see something else they might be interested in. More importantly, the Updates mechanism is something that users only access infrequently, so it is not an invasive experience in the slightest. Compare that to the way most other products work vis-a-vis ads and it's a stark contrast.

I'll wrap up with a little bit of reassurance. We have no plans to insert ads anywhere else within the product. They've been in that one spot for almost a decade and we don't see them venturing anywhere else.

agnosto wrote:@Spacemanvic,
I've tried it at my FLGS and wasn't too impressed. I especially didn't like the printed product that wastes a great deal of paper.

FWIW, you can adjust AB to remove anything off of the printed list that you want to.

Eric

I'll just go make a cup of tea and stop laughing at this forum now. Honestly.... 1 advert?