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MajorTom11 wrote:in order to maximize the appeal in the community. Sometimes, less is more!

Well I do not have the crystal ball that gives me the prespective of what the community prefers or how to maximize appeal... I can only flesh out what I have in my mind... thats why I posted wip draws of these and from the feedback... I got the feeling they were apreciated... After concepts were aproved I did my best on sculpting them... apart from this I dont have the capacity of guessing its acceptance by such a diverse community. How many nid fans will hate it? how many non nids fans find these more appealing to them and start the bug way? etc... no idea.

Is it diferent? Yes. Theres no need for multiples or copies since you can get the original thing you like better right?... at least in my way of doing things... If a client aproached me and asked me to do a copy of something already created and sculpted I would reject it... not because I have primadona issues, but just because I dont see a point of not giving extra design options to a community and also because of course the IP issues.

Im both a nid and chaos player and I can see good uses for these, but maybe I'm alone there.

Less is more? You do understand that the nothions of less and more depends much on everyones personal tastes right...?
For you maybe to much and for others maybe its to less... for me personally? Its far from scratching the fat numbers of bioblades I could come up with... yet we have to be practical and flesh out one idea.

Do I have interest in making another version? Sorry nope, sculpted 4 blades and arms and need to move to other things.

The first thing you need to understand as a creative person is that every creation you produce will have mixed feelings, I embraced them all many years ago in my profession and the only thing that bothers me is when people dont comment my creations... so thanks all for comments... the only promise I can make is that I will give my best shot, beyond that its all a bonus.

Think about it this way.

You made something nice for tzeentch / chaos too! xD

Hey Nav,

I tried to be pretty clear that I was only speaking of my personal taste, and also to make sure to acknowledge a lot of people seem to love them! I apologize if that was not clear enough, I did not mean to make it an attack. The appeal to the community bit was to say I think there would be room for both types in terms of demand, and that you could kill it by covering all bases you know?

My comments were based solely on the style I would prefer were I to buy them for nids, as you say you expressly avoided the sword looking swords to focus more on non-anthropomorphic evolution.

Whether or not they are my taste, I still wish you guys the best with it of course!

I want to echo the above poster, they are very well done. I just feel the flesh covers a bit too much of the blade. Even with the bits that wrap over the sword (I actually like that touch!)

I know mate, and I didnt take it like a attack.
Just saying that its very hard to have any kind of idea if things will be accepted or not... as I said I can only give it a shot and hope it hits the target ehehe.

My target are all that need a bio blade for their convo projects and in the process help out chapterhouse to be stronger to the point that it can provide lots of goodies for the us all.

also keep the feedback comming I really apreciate it and Im not here just to hear the yay's i need the nay's also.

I hear ya bro, I also work in arts, so I know the drill. Just wanted to make sure that what I was saying was taken as constructive and from a point of view is all! It's a rough go when you put things on a forum, people will always find something to say if only to have something to say...

The key for me is just to focus on what is point of view stuff and what are legitimate structural/quality issues. To me, if people just say 'not my cup of tea' then that is pretty good, because they it is more focused on style than execution, which they would surely harp on were there an issue. Its when people who are into the style have nit-pics on the quality, then there is probably a more immediate concern.

Basically, you have the nids who like insect like armor and carapace with anthro swords, and on the other scale chaosy/fleshy evolution outside of the box style. Both will have their admirers and detractors im sure, but the great thing is, you have enough talent to meet either requirement, just depends on your goals!

Best of luck with the again, can't wait to see more!

I actually really like the stretches of 'skin' going around the blade. It makes the bonesword itself look like it's a foreign nonbiological structure sharpened and biologically attached to a creature via unpredictable growth.

It makes the Tyranids much more believable and not some organic-humanoid race. I've always hated the GW boneswords for looking too much like swords.

These are perfect. They're alien enough to be Tyranid and yet sword-like enough such that a guardsman that survived the butchering of his squad would report that the enemy used "swords".

Personally I like them, I like them a lot and am amazed about the sheer number of weird bio organic ideas that went on the sculpts.
I´ll definately use them myself.

As for the criticism of the flesh covering the blade edge, well its dirt simple to solve really, just have all points where the flesh crosses over the bone blade be "capped" by a small GS blob made to look like a protective bone housing.

Also a question, is the white "blade" really thin with sharp edges?

The only thing I think looks weird are the crystals, with no sharp edges they dont really strike me as crystal looking.
The crystals look exactly like my own do before I cut the soft sides down to sharpen the edges. This is extremely simple, just cutting down with a scalpel along each plane and I´ll end up with sharper crystals that look like this:



But this is not complaining, just nitpicking and I dont give a crap, I´ll have a bucket of those swords for my future alien themed nids no matter what people think.
Good job Navarro.

What's going on with the Eldar farseer/warlock jetbike conversion kit?

I´m holding it in my hands, brushing up the finals, making parts of the ornamentations crisper and sculpting "force field projectors" for the jetbike.
Just finishing up Revs already awesome sculpts.
Dunno when it will be ready, I´m doing the best I can so it wont be long.

I don't like these at all. I had emailed and requested these a long time ago, and said that I would buy 36 sets for my 6 broods, but these do not look tyranid at all.

The would work great for chaos, I also think they look very good, just not for Tyranids.

They look like bat wings, or flippers on a swimming monster.

They do not look like a limb with a sword attached. They look like you will have arms that come off the models with these odd perpendicular shaped blades coming off of them. Further more the cutting edge has a pad over it that the Nid would sever off if it even used them.

How would the 'Nid extend it's arm to stab, they look way to stubby and plain weird.

The Whips also do not look like whips. They look like long snake bodies with huge vertabrae with a tentacle coming off.

I am hugely dissapointed, but I hope Chapterhouse does well with these as the service provided is invaluable.

OMFG, PICS!!! jk a little peek would be great. Btw, I just got my alien heads from chapter house and they rock.

Pyri, are those your sallies??? AMAZING

Pyri, are those your sallies??? AMAZING

Yeah, you missed them after all the painting threads?
I have tons of minis painted up in my gallery.

@Navarro:
Please keep on going with your rich, crazy and mind-blowing organic designs. I am sure that enough people will appreciate and buy them, including me.
Everyone else can get the simpler hand-plasticardblade-somegreenstuffornament designs by maxmini or on ebay (e.g. by Oni from Warpshadow).

I love the eyes, they make it look like the Soul Edge. Keep up the good work!

Well Nav, as I said on Frothers, I liked your version with multiple eyes best. Otherwise they're cool as hell. I don't mind the flesh extending to the blades since I'm willing to suspend disbelief for Tyranid creatures.

I do think you could alter them to fit the wants stated above by integrating the flesh and bone a bit more cleanly to make it almost like a scale structure instead of a fleshy organism that's wrapped itself over a bone.

I have to say those bits are pretty amazing. You guys should do bases, too.

NAVARRO wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:in order to maximize the appeal in the community. Sometimes, less is more!

Well I do not have the crystal ball that gives me the prespective of what the community prefers or how to maximize appeal... I can only flesh out what I have in my mind... thats why I posted wip draws of these and from the feedback... I got the feeling they were apreciated... After concepts were aproved I did my best on sculpting them... apart from this I dont have the capacity of guessing its acceptance by such a diverse community. How many nid fans will hate it? how many non nids fans find these more appealing to them and start the bug way? etc... no idea.

Is it diferent? Yes. Theres no need for multiples or copies since you can get the original thing you like better right?... at least in my way of doing things... If a client aproached me and asked me to do a copy of something already created and sculpted I would reject it... not because I have primadona issues, but just because I dont see a point of not giving extra design options to a community and also because of course the IP issues.

Im both a nid and chaos player and I can see good uses for these, but maybe I'm alone there.

Less is more? You do understand that the nothions of less and more depends much on everyones personal tastes right...?
For you maybe to much and for others maybe its to less... for me personally? Its far from scratching the fat numbers of bioblades I could come up with... yet we have to be practical and flesh out one idea.

Do I have interest in making another version? Sorry nope, sculpted 4 blades and arms and need to move to other things.

The first thing you need to understand as a creative person is that every creation you produce will have mixed feelings, I embraced them all many years ago in my profession and the only thing that bothers me is when people dont comment my creations... so thanks all for comments... the only promise I can make is that I will give my best shot, beyond that its all a bonus.

Don't apologize for your artistic vision. Just make more gribbly bitz for us to enjoy.

Tacobake wrote:I have to say those bits are pretty amazing. You guys should do bases, too.

NOOOOO!
Every miniatures producer and their mother make bases.

Plus, if the Mycetic Spore base is any indication, Navarro would be too good at making bases.

We have been thinking of doing bases...

In a different manner then everyone else though.

Really like the looks of these pieces lads, excellent work.
Delighted to see small entrepreneurs stepping into the gap to help out those of us lacking in the artistic skill to do stuff like this ourselves. I must say, between the bone swords and the different style heads, I'm bloody tempted to start a "chapterhouse" nid army...

I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

Ketara wrote:I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

Yeah, that would fix them a lot. Also, if the blade wasn't sculpted so perpendicular to the arm. These arms make a T instead of a more wide angle.

Chapterhouse wrote:Well alot like them and alot want some changes. I think we will most definetly produce them as is, but I may have them modified ever so much to fit the current theme that some want.

It would not take much, some cutting of the plasticard to make them more bladed, smoothing or removal of the flesh on the blades, and a bit of trimming of the bulk on the forearms.

Eh, so dangit, we end up with 2 types of swords instead of one, I wont complain!

this sounds like all sorts of catering to your customers.... I love it.... I may just end up buying a couple of pairs for my swarm lord


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Ketara wrote:I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

well if we're talking about blade width i'm sure we ourselves can shape the blade alittle

Let me clarify my comments. I don't mind the flesh on the blades. I mind the flesh on the cutting edge of the blades. That part of the bit is counterintuitive but the rest of it looks good.

Chapterhouse wrote:We have been thinking of doing bases...

In a different manner then everyone else though.

To be honest I don't think bases represent a 'low hanging fruit'. There are so many base companies out there that you'll really have to do something novel (or extraordinarily cheap) to make an impression. I'd stick with conversion bitz unless you've got something really clever in mind for the bases.

Definately have to order some of these when they become available - everyone is right, it's nice to see a company dedicated to sculpting bits that actually are needed and in demand with the newer codexes. Seems most of the other companies produce more off-the-wall stuff that only fits in very fluffy armies or specific niche places.
I was very impressed with the alien heads - I remember several years ago seeing the "Alienid" site and having to cut, scrape and green stuff alien heads on the whole army - really a pain.
Definately interested too in the Tervigon conversion - hoping it won't be too expensive of a conversion pack, although I think it was said it is based off the Carnifex box (which ain't cheap).

You will have to have a carnifex kit, and then add ours to it.

It is either that or sculpt a huge monstrosity of a new beast that will probably cost the same in the end.

I have never seen bases that excited me enough to buy them. I mean glue, sand and gravel works just fine really.