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Except the GW pod is a direct copy of the oringinal FW model, which also has only 10 spaces....

Aren't the great companies supposed to be 2-300 in number?

Sure I read it somewhere... back to the codex for in depth reading...

I thought the original drop pod in one of the Imperial Armory books (Forgeworld) only allowed 5 dudes. But I digress.

My Black Templar Drop pods hold 10 marines, 5 terminators, or 1 dreadnought. We don't get the Drop Pod assault rule (1/2 on turn 1). This can be good or bad, depending on your style of play. However, we do get to shoot our drop pod weapons on the turn our drop pods land (as mentioned directly in our codex).

Our pods can be upgraded to have the missile launchers and otherwise cost the same as the Codex: Space Marine ones.

For those that care.

On the topic of chapter sizes, I know exactly how many Initiates and Neophytes we have since I organize the spring cook out. However, Chaplain Grimaldus told me if I spilled the beans, he'd spill my blood. So, I ain't sayin' nuthin.

That was the version that allowed you to assault out of it, if memory serves.

Strikes me as good old fashioned GW inconsistency. If GW ever manage more than two Marine Codexes in a row where vehicle capacities are the same, there are similar levels of wargear options available and the WS of Captain level characters are equal, I will know The End is near.

You do realise that Space Wolf and Blood Angels fit the bill?

nosferatu1001 wrote:You do realise that Space Wolf and Blood Angels fit the bill?

I said more than 2 Trust me, it will be all change again come the next one.

i hear Grey Knights are getting Stormravens

OT a bit. Why do so many people think the smurfs are the biggest chapter? I would think they follow the codex Astartes closer than anyone.

Grey Templar wrote:i hear Grey Knights are getting Stormravens

Well I rest my case, another vehicle option denied to a Chapter (i.e. Space Wolves) who have the misfortune to have their Codex released before GW decided to come up with said vehicle option. Rest assured Storm Ravens (no doubt with varying transport capacities) will begin to appear in all SM Codexes from now on.

Lunchmoney wrote:OT a bit. Why do so many people think the smurfs are the biggest chapter? I would think they follow the codex Astartes closer than anyone.

Because they have an empire and (i think) about half the current chapters are supposed to be from the ultramarine legion break up and subsequent foundings using their geneseed

The UM do have a far larger realm to protect and to recruit from than any other chapter.

That said I always thought the whole 1,000 marines thing was a completely nonsensical limit. Sure, they may be 7-foot-tall super-badasses, but there is no way that 1,000 marines would be enough to do anything of note when faced with armies of hundreds of thousands of orks or traitor guard or millions of tyranids. I mean look at modern warfare. It takes 100,000 US Soldiers to occupy a relatively small country. How could 1/100th of that many super soldiers cover multiple entire planets!?

The Black Templars have the most marines. However, they are in various fleet-based crusades. They have no homeworld, so they travel the galaxy in search of xenos to kill, chaos to purge, and women.

And collectible shot glasses. They really love collectible shot glasses.

kronk wrote:The Black Templars have the most marines.

No they don't. And yes they do.

The Black Templars are not unique. There are many Crusading Chapters (likely hundreds), who would all maintain larger fighting forces than the Codex-specified 1000.


And even then, the Codex-specified 1000 is simply Marines within the 10 Companies (and even at bare minimum each Company has 114 Marines in it). As I have said, there are anywhere from 500 to 1000 additional Marines in every Chapter simply because there has to be.

Kolath wrote:The UM do have a far larger realm to protect and to recruit from than any other chapter.

That said I always thought the whole 1,000 marines thing was a completely nonsensical limit. Sure, they may be 7-foot-tall super-badasses, but there is no way that 1,000 marines would be enough to do anything of note when faced with armies of hundreds of thousands of orks or traitor guard or millions of tyranids. I mean look at modern warfare. It takes 100,000 US Soldiers to occupy a relatively small country. How could 1/100th of that many super soldiers cover multiple entire planets!?

As is clearly stated in the fluff time and time again, Space Marines are not about holding ground, they are used for surgical strikes. They go in, achieve their mission and get out again. Protracted warfare and controlling territory is what the Imperial Guard are for. To use your modern warfare metaphor, the IG would be the 100,000 US Troops whereas the Space Marines would be the Special Forces Units.

So here's my thoughts on the matter. I think it's an issue of personal space.

Space Wolves smell, have bad hygene, I mean would you really want to have to sit that close to a battle brother?

And Blood Angels. At any moment the dude next to you could go on a killing rampage, I'd like a little space to re-act just in case, if you get my drift.

Now Ultramarines, well they are based off the greek model, so they don't have a lot of personal space issues and don't mind being cramped into the pod with 10-11 of their closest friends.

Makes you wonder how many berskers you could fit in a drop pod, and I bet you could get like 14 Thousand Sons in one!

You could probably stack about 40 slaanesh marines in a drop pod. They like being close to eachother...

Miraclefish wrote:

Darkness wrote:If we go by Large Chapter than SW should get bigger capacity. They are still legion sized.

No they're not.

Space Wolf Companies are believed to have any where between 150-1000 Marines per Company

There are two or three Chapters at anything over the Codex: Astartes' limits of 1000 active warriors. The Black Templars are thought to have 2.5k

I'm sure there are more the two or three chapters, any Crusading Chapter can use the Crusade recruitment loop hole. BT are thought to have between 3k-6k

Don't know why the BA drop pod is limited to 10 passengers but, with the Space Wolves, it's easy to explain. The supplies for the after battle party take up those last 2 passenger spaces. You don't think any respectable Space Wolf would go into battle without enough ale and good food to throw a wicked party after the battle is over do you?

Mellon wrote:You could probably stack about 40 slaanesh marines in a drop pod. They like being close to eachother...

Eww

Zathras wrote:You don't think any respectable Space Wolf would go into battle without enough ale and good food to throw a wicked party after the battle is over do you?

They also need room to bring a wench back with them. Once they are done winning they go pillage the nearest village near a sea and take woman or two

AKGator wrote:

Zathras wrote:You don't think any respectable Space Wolf would go into battle without enough ale and good food to throw a wicked party after the battle is over do you?

They also need room to bring a wench back with them. Once they are done winning they go pillage the nearest village near a sea and take woman or two

Thought pods were a one way trip? guess they recover them anyway though

Not if you have Dreadclaws

Although loyalists dont like them for some reason. Apparently having your head snipped off by your transport didnt endear them...