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I find they work best when they are on your shelf collecting all that pesky dust floating around. Thats what my collection of em are doing.

^^^ This

They do have a use. They are a good tarpit. But sadly, they take up a very valuable slot. So it's much more worthwhile to not have them in the army, and fill that slot with something else.

Oshova

They are good at motoring in chimeras and using their guns to hurt weak armor. Using them to assault vehicles also works well. Six of them seems to work well for me.

Update on my latest field test:

A while ago in a 2000 pt game versus my friend's CSM army, the 7th Galen managed to recover from aan extremely successful chaos first round shooting phase (the 6 oblits + defiler + land raider did a lot of damage to my vehicles...in this game I failed around 80% of my vehicle cover saves, sigh it happens once in a while) to gain the advantage in the 5th turn, which ended in a draw (1 more turn I'm sure I could have gained a upped hand in objective grabbing, as the grunts had to footslog).

The 4 ogryns led by a GK brother captain paid a key role in the battle for the central objective, which was sat upon by a plague marine unit, with kharn and his possessed SM buddies (all attacks as power weapons) nearby. Kharn's unit was whittled down to 5 possessed and kharn wounded once, and it fell to the 3 remaining ogryns and the GK BC (who crossed no man's land to reach the middle, as their chimera got popped turn 1, losing only 1 ogryn to defiler battle cannon and plague marine melta and bolter fire, love it when s8 does not instakill) to do the job. Their shooting caused another wound on kharn and killed 2 possessed, and in the succeeding assault they wiped kharn and the possessed, receiving only 1 wound in return (kharn hit 5 times, but didn't cause a wound!). That alone more than paid for the cost of fielding them (kharn and the possessed was over 400 pts, and got exposed when their land raider got popped), and in the ensuing countercharge by the plague marines they killed a couple of nurgle boys before I rolled an 11 on the morale check (I just needed a 10 due to the BC's ld1) and got swept. The remaining plague marines were then vaporized off the objective by the rest of my army in the succeeding turns...

So, another game where my ogryns did well...

to be continued..I have to give the GK BC and the ogryns a name soon....

nothing good in elites for ig .... x.x

marbo and psyker battle squad are two awesome elites =/, marbos just a total ninja and the pbs wins games by themselves if you can open the right transports and make contents run away like little girls lol ...

mon-keigh slayer wrote:nothing good in elites for ig .... x.x

marbo and psyker battle squad are two awesome elites =/, marbos just a total ninja and the pbs wins games by themselves if you can open the right transports and make contents run away like little girls lol ...

that is correct..but using them over and over again is....boring....

They are good to convert into Warbosses!!

How about taking them as a counter-strike unit
when the enemy reaches the IG front ranks?

Headkeepa wrote:They are good to convert into Warbosses!!

Thats a good idea!

I dont understand why people compare things in a vacuum based on point values.

Is a vendetta better than a unit of ogryn for the same price? Absolutely.

What if I already have my 3 fast slots filled? Is a vendetta better than an ogryn then? No, its not even an option.

I like ogryn, but my problem is that my opponents are all yoked out uber buff melee guys and they all seem to be have at least power weapons, if not some better armament. So the ogryns, who would be really decently tough against non power weapons attacks, tend to get eaten up fairly quickly.

JR you have something wrong... Ogryns save on a 5+. Power weapons matter to them as much as to a guardsman. Their true defence is T5 W3, and it is really funny seeing Banshees bumping off them.

konst80hummel wrote:JR you have something wrong... Ogryns save on a 5+. Power weapons matter to them as much as to a guardsman. Their true defence is T5 W3, and it is really funny seeing Banshees bumping off them.

Absolutely right....in the example I quoted above, the possessed attacks were all power weapons, but they just did 1 wound...

If you have all 3 fast slots filled, thank the Emperor Vends come in squadrons!

I like my ogryns. I have 10. Like to run them with Chimeras with Lord Commissars with power fist. I beat the hell out of Terminator squad the other day. Yeah the terms did alot of wounds but so did I. My squad was 200 his was more. I won.

Another battle the same squad descimated two marine squads. One at t a time.

Ursa wrote:I like my ogryns. I have 10. Like to run them with Chimeras with Lord Commissars with power fist. I beat the hell out of Terminator squad the other day. Yeah the terms did alot of wounds but so did I. My squad was 200 his was more. I won.

Another battle the same squad descimated two marine squads. One at t a time.

Anyone feel like doing the mathhammer on that? Maybe assume a squad of 5 thundernators with the charge both ways.

cmac wrote:

Ursa wrote:I like my ogryns. I have 10. Like to run them with Chimeras with Lord Commissars with power fist. I beat the hell out of Terminator squad the other day. Yeah the terms did alot of wounds but so did I. My squad was 200 his was more. I won.

Another battle the same squad descimated two marine squads. One at t a time.

Anyone feel like doing the mathhammer on that? Maybe assume a squad of 5 thundernators with the charge both ways.

I think the idea here is even if the Ogryns lose, if they held up that unit for several turns so much so that the rest of the IG army worked to destroy the other elements of the SM army, then they have done their job. Winning the game is what matters, not winning individual combats...

Could be fun to put on rough riders in the mix for the hammer/anvil approach

It might be detrimental versus some units to mix in both, as if I were the opponent I will target the RR instead of the ogryns. But if the unit has been significantly reduced then it would be correct to have the cavalry (in my case bikes which count as cavalry) save the day!

RR are more than enough to finish off most weakened units...they are incisive finishers, unlike ogryns who are more tarpits. RR also function as vehicle busters for me after they use their lances, as they have krak G standard.

At 40pts a model they're only worth taking in big game IMO. 40pts can get me sentinel with an autocannon or heavy flamer. Those can be great tarpits too.

Crablezworth wrote:At 40pts a model they're only worth taking in big game IMO. 40pts can get me sentinel with an autocannon or heavy flamer. Those can be great tarpits too.

I agree...big games meaning 1850-2000 for me....at 1500 I will use RR or the commissar/PW blob as the counterassault units...

cmac wrote:

Ursa wrote:I like my ogryns. I have 10. Like to run them with Chimeras with Lord Commissars with power fist. I beat the hell out of Terminator squad the other day. Yeah the terms did alot of wounds but so did I. My squad was 200 his was more. I won.

Another battle the same squad descimated two marine squads. One at t a time.

Anyone feel like doing the mathhammer on that? Maybe assume a squad of 5 thundernators with the charge both ways.

the terms deep struck late (turn 3) I had my ogryn fresh out of a chimera (blew up a rogue rhino) and charged. The squad was 6 terms (sb&pf with 1 sgt). The sgt did one wound. Ogryn had 21 attacks. Hit with like 10, wounded with eight. Three dead terminators later. They hit back with six attacks (the sgt was dead) hit with three. wounded three time. Lost one ogyrn. Next round, 13 attacks from me. hit with more than half. Wounded with more than half. Two more dead terminators. Round five I finished them off.

Nice, power attacks? Who needs them.

Here is one im going to try; 1500 pts

Yarrick
Ogres x 5, Chimera
Ogres x 5, Chimera

PCS, Melta x 4, Chimera
PIC Flamer
PIC Flamer

PCS, Melta x 4, Chimera
PIC Flamer
PIC Flamer

Roughriders x 8
Roughriders x 7
Roughriders x 7

There is a bit of juggling that can go on here
Al'rahem or Mogal for Yarrick and get a cheaper Lord com, plasma pistol, power fist, carapace
Maybe melta vet vendettas for troops. Take it to larger points and add manticores.