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talk to meh.

No.

Generally speaking, for their points cost Ogryns aren't very efficient considering what they bring to the table. However, inefficient does not necessarly mean 'bad'.

Ignore the points cost for the moment and have a look at the statline of an Ogryn. High S and T, lots of A, multiple W,and a reasonable WS. They also bring what amounts to an assault 3 HB (with 1/3 of the range) to the table too. This should push you towards thinking that Ogryns excel at close-quarter fighting, which is true, but for the most part they are DURABLE. It'll take lower S models such as Orks, Eldar and some Tyranids a long, long time to chew through 5-6 Ogryns and this can effectively take the entire unit out of the game for 2-3 turns.

Ogryns make amazing counter-assault/tarpit units that can effectively prevent a gunline being charged, or soak up the damage from a potent CC unit, giving the rest of your army a chance to reposition and face the new threat.

Unfortunately, I cannot recommend using Ogryns as shock troops as they simply have no way to effectively cause damage to the enemy. A lack of either power weapons or sufficient attacks denies them the ability to kill a lot of models, which is what you want your assaulty units to do. Ogryns are basically colossal punching bags that can soak up a tremendous amount of punishment before going down, any damage they cause before they die is a happy addition to the extra turns it grants the rest of your force to win the game.

And then, naturally, you factor in their gigantic points cost (you can get 4 PIS for 5 Ogryns) and you realise that are simply way, way too expensive for what they bring to the table.

So, yes, Ogryns ARE good for something; but they are just too expensive, and too much of a niche unit, for anything outside of casual, fun games.

L. Wrex

Dying?

They can be really good if your smart about them like he said before they expensive but with a Lord Commi or Yarrick they have alot more staying power and hit harder.

They're great if you like saying, "It's dark in dere," a lot. And I mean, A LOT.

Frankly, Wrex has it covered. Very limited use. A tarpit CC unit in an army that tries to avoid CC.

ok, now what should I get to take up the 130 pts missing in my list?

A Vendetta. The best 130 pts you'll ever spend.

And vendettas are good for_______(fill in the blank)

Ogryns are actually an extremely effective unit! However, in an IG list, they're just a big hole in your points and take up an Elites slot (though, granted, there is nothing worth taking in the Elites section for the IG).

Where they shine is in Armageddon. Enemy players tend to ignore them or forget about them with all the other units that invariably show up (Terminators?). However for the regular games one of two things happen:

Your opponent will have a hard time dealing with the Ogryns and will find it quite easy to avoid them.

Your opponent will not have a hard time dealing with them and will simply shred them with CC volume or shooting.

They're not troops, so objective sitting doesn't help, they're not fast, to maneuvering doesn't happen. The two units that could compliment them well (Priests and Valkyries) are explicitly restricted from Ogryns. It's mostly in their points cost, though.

Valkyrie/Vendetta make great anti-infantry/tank as well as transports, and cost the same as an Ogryn min squad. Hellhounds also make excellent stand ins. Or, just take more infantry!

eldarbgamer13 wrote:And vendettas are good for_______(fill in the blank)

Antitank.
AntiMC.
With HBs, antihorde.
Late game objective grabs.
AV12 saturation.
Skimmerblocking.

Just off the top of my head

Ogryns work if used properly. And I speak from experience regarding this. They are good for countercharging weakened units which were not finished off in the shooting phase (if you are an IG player you would know that despite your toys there are days when the shooting phase is meh), they are actually very good in a chimera as a mobile shooting unit (the ripper guns work very well), and yes they are great as a tarpit, especially if you have a standard nearby so they can reroll their morale checks.

However, they work best in bigger blocks (4-5 for me). And they should never be used alone by themselves, but as part of a "task force" (like with other elements of a mech force), which essentially also describes how to use an IG army.

Vendettas are good (and damned good looking), but they are far from a super uber unit, and believe me they are more fragile to any opposing army with an normal amount of antitank fire. I have lost my vendetta more than I have lost my Ogryns actually..people love to bring down the IG skimmers....must be the looks...

Ogryns are good for helping your opponent win?

Count as Tyranid Warriors?

Ogryns are a waste of points that simply more dakka would eliminate any need for, and this dakka can be in the form of scoring troops, something you can never have enough of in an objectives game.

Anyone know the Elfzilla list that had a line looking something like this:

---- Wraithlords
---- Wraithguard
---- Guardians with Warlock (Conceal)

So that everyone had a cover save and would just walk forward. Similar to the Kan Line foot slogging Orkz army.

I often wondered if something similar could be done with guard:

---- Tanks
---- Ogryns
---- Infantry (the Priests, Sergeants, Commisar with PW maxed out unit)

That way your ogryns are a walking cover save for your tanks, they are moving forward just behind your squad of death.

That is the only use I ever saw for them... and even then it doesn't seem all that great.

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:No.

QFT. Your better off buying ratlings.

Ogryns! Uh! Good Emprah, y'all!
What are they good for? Absolutely nothin'!

I wonder if you guys are theoryhammering, or have actually tried them.....

On IG threads, there are players who have used them successfully....they do take skill to use properly, but used well they work...they are also quite good antitransport units.....versus a densely packed bunch of vehicles a multiple unit assault a lot of attacks at s6 versus rear armor is no joke...and the ogryns are tough enough to wthstand repercussions than any other infantry unit in the IG army....

The Vendetta is the best option for 130 points you need to fill

Good for nothing.
Try some other IG units...

GKT do the job much better, and don't cost much more either.

Grimaldi wrote:Ogryns are good for helping your opponent win?

And make great paperweights . I've got one on my computer table holding down stuff so the fan doesn't blow it away .

I don't use Ogryns. Mainly becuase of the same reason I don't use ratlings. I'm a puritan at heart and can't bear to see my troops slogging it with such abhuman filth.

(That and their points cost)

I have found Ogryns decent. A multicharge against blocking rhinos and CSM has yielded really good dividents (2 rhinos= 2kp in late game). With Yarrick they make minced meat of meqs (and a bloody expensive unit). Their high T is their best asset and S6 on the charge is nothing to be sniffed at.
I 'm with Freddieyu1 on this one. A Chimera helps their mobility and packing a Primaris Psyker with them gives this unit a decent punch in shooting. (You have to resort to shehanigans to keep the punch in mellee )

Fafnir wrote:GKT do the job much better, and don't cost much more either.

GK won't last as long as the ogryns versus powerfists and assault termies, as they have only 1 wound each...The Ogryn is a much better tarpit unit against enemies like these, and that's exactly the point...they are TARPIT units, not superpowerful assault units, although as tarpit units they sure can hit hard.

Hmmm this thread has inspired me to test a unit out of ogryns for an extended period in my lists. I have used them several times, but not continuously, but I will do so from now on just to push them to the limit. I am testing them now with a GK brother captain (with a psychic hood), and a while ago i played a 2000 pt game versus my brother's nid army. They never needed to get out of their chimera, as their ripper guns did all the hurt versus his critters, and my army managed to defeat the nids.

The fluff there by the way, is that my ogryns are actually servitor "bodyguards" assigned to the brother captain by the inquisition, as I also fielded a regular inquisitor with mystics + warriors (a bit lame, but I have to think of something). The mystics actually deterred my brother into deep striking his zoanthropes and trygon too close to my lines to avoid being shot up, which was fine by me....

eldarbgamer13 wrote:And vendettas are good for_______(fill in the blank)

Getting shot down.

Right. That's it.

I'm going to take a unit and make em work

Edit: internet double post

freddieyu1 wrote:

Fafnir wrote:GKT do the job much better, and don't cost much more either.

GK won't last as long as the ogryns versus powerfists and assault termies, as they have only 1 wound each...The Ogryn is a much better tarpit unit against enemies like these, and that's exactly the point...they are TARPIT units, not superpowerful assault units, although as tarpit units they sure can hit hard

GKT aren't tarpit units because they can actually get the killing done. WS5 S6 power weapons striking at I4 mean that the chances of a hidden powerfist actually getting a chance to hit against the GKT are fairly small. Not to mention that they have 2+/5++ to up their durability. Against your basic S4 attacker, the GKT can take more hits, and their higher I and ability to ignore enemy armour saves makes them much more able to actually kill them, while Ogryns may be more durable, they lack the killing power to make them worth their cost.

Why would you tarpit an enemy when you can kill them?

phantommaster wrote:Dying?

Suicide squads.