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Kroothawk wrote:Actually, the statements in this and Warseer's thread are not completely accurate. I have read the original message.

Fact is that the product failed a required security test and the EU therefore complained that the Killa Kan kit is not deemed suitable for age 12+ children (as most other things from GW) but only for 14+ children. GW is just printing warning labels which will be available from 13th April, that is next Tuesday. Until then GW will not sell the boxes and other shops "should not" sell these kits to children below the age of 14 and are "advised to" remove the kit from the shelves. Next week, boxes with label are sold again. GW will change the sprue eventually to meet EU requirements though.

BTW, let's hope they never test the 40k CoD buildings: Who hasn't made painful experience with the Gothic lamps on the railing

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There is absolutely no difference between being 12 and 14.

God I hate the people behind this kind of bs so much. So very, very, very much.

lol, actually, in Idaho the difference between being 12 & being 14 is statutory...

Why the hell should model kits have to pass safety tests anyway, they aren't even intended for kids. You have to use a knife and cutters etc to use the thing, utterly ridiculous.

And speaking of sharp parts on models, I got the grot crew set from the forgeworld open day the weekend before last, on gettinghome I was amused to see that one of the little blighters had busted through the plastic bag.. with his nose!

As a twelve, turning thirteen, year old kid, I can tell you, since I turned twelve I haven't changed in a way that makes me safer when wargaming. And I started Warhammer at the age of eleven. If anything, the older you are, the more dangerous the kit, because you have more money to buy the dangerous one.

Well, I'll stop ranting now.

Gargskull wrote:Why the hell should model kits have to pass safety tests anyway, they aren't even intended for kids. You have to use a knife and cutters etc to use the thing, utterly ridiculous.

And speaking of sharp parts on models, I got the grot crew set from the forgeworld open day the weekend before last, on gettinghome I was amused to see that one of the little blighters had busted through the plastic bag.. with his nose!

They need safety tests so Mr and Mrs Cantbearsed don't sue the manufacturers when stupid little timmy chews a sprue and gets it lodged in his throat and stomach. Most plastic and resin kits have some sort of caveat reagrding age on the packaging or their instructions. Buyer beware!

But, in the UK don't you have to be 18 to buy a sharp cutting implement and 16 or over to buy solvents?

That sounds right. In Western Australia, to of the BW stores have a sign that says "Due to government policies, Hobby Knives are kept behind the desk and may not be sold to anyone under 18."

I'm still hoping the Razorgor will be banned as I believe it represents a potential hazzard to both adult's and childrens eyesight.

FordPrefect wrote:
Maybe its yet another example of the Nanny state (Euro nanny ?) - Political correctness for you folks over the pond in case you don't understand

I think you're mistaking political correctness for health and safety .

Mr. Burning wrote:
But, in the UK don't you have to be 18 to buy a sharp cutting implement and 16 or over to buy solvents?

As a UK resident, even a fellow Brummy, you should be in a good position to know


In an effort to change the direction of this thread, I would like to congratulate GW for the quality of the new plastic kits, the overall level of detail, the additional parts on the sprues, clever design of kits, etc.

Following the new BA codex, I've just put together my first marine for about years & had forgotten just how good the current SM design was. It even makes me want to buy more plastic SM's & ignore the boxs of lead marines with their clunky poor posed arms.

Yes I feel aggrieved about the prices (equal to metal figures) but thats why I mostly buy from discount shops or buy on line.

If only GW were to perfect the design approval process, we wouldn't be presented with gash models like the awful minotaur releases

FordPrefect wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:
But, in the UK don't you have to be 18 to buy a sharp cutting implement and 16 or over to buy solvents?

As a UK resident, even a fellow Brummy, you should be in a good position to know


In an effort to change the direction of this thread, I would like to congratulate GW for the quality of the new plastic kits, the overall level of detail, the additional parts on the sprues, clever design of kits, etc.

Following the new BA codex, I've just put together my first marine for about years & had forgotten just how good the current SM design was. It even makes me want to buy more plastic SM's & ignore the boxs of lead marines with their clunky poor posed arms.

Yes I feel aggrieved about the prices (equal to metal figures) but thats why I mostly buy from discount shops or buy on line.

If only GW were to perfect the design approval process, we wouldn't be presented with gash models like the awful minotaur releases

I couldn't remember what the regulations were

LunaHound wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:Theyre probly recalling them, so they can reprice the boxes for another 5 or 10$

Wouldnt it be faster to change the price tag o_o

Though i agree im sure GW will very soon "price adjust" the kans -_-

I bet thats what it really is, the thing is an amazing deal and sold through the roof, so GW BS there way through it with "having to recut" the spure/ box or whatever and up the price. Here it went from $35 for one to $55 for 3. That kits jumping through the roof next price hike no doubt.

Ravenous D wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Mistress of minis wrote:Theyre probly recalling them, so they can reprice the boxes for another 5 or 10$

Wouldnt it be faster to change the price tag o_o

Though i agree im sure GW will very soon "price adjust" the kans -_-

I bet thats what it really is, the thing is an amazing deal and sold through the roof, so GW BS there way through it with "having to recut" the spure/ box or whatever and up the price. Here it went from $35 for one to $55 for 3. That kits jumping through the roof next price hike no doubt.

.... Must resist urge to buy killa kans. I don't even have any use for them and yet they tempt me!

Natorum wrote:

FordPrefect wrote:
Maybe its yet another example of the Nanny state (Euro nanny ?) - Political correctness for you folks over the pond in case you don't understand

I think you're mistaking political correctness for health and safety .

Reminds me of this excellent book called "Love in the time of fridges"... It features a rather zealous health and safety department. Excellent read, perhaps not quite as good as his first book "Outrageous Fortune" (and they kind of share a lot of themes, but fun anyway).

I already got a few boxes because having worked for the great enemy that isnt staying cheap for long.

Just remember this is the same company that released the plastic steam tank made with plastic and less sprues then a marine squad for $70 because they knew they werent going to sell many...

Natorum wrote:

FordPrefect wrote:
Maybe its yet another example of the Nanny state (Euro nanny ?) - Political correctness for you folks over the pond in case you don't understand

I think you're mistaking political correctness for health and safety .

Watch a US-promo-video for children-sized hunting rifles, then you know why US-citizens find our toy-security standards weird
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAg4qDMVPV0&feature=related

Ravenous D wrote:I already got a few boxes because having worked for the great enemy that isnt staying cheap for long.

Just remember this is the same company that released the plastic steam tank made with plastic and less sprues then a marine squad for $70 because they knew they werent going to sell many...

So by your logic, the Leman Russ should be cheaper than a Marine Squad--because it has less sprues?
Prices aren't dictated by the number of sprues. They're dictated by the size of what's on the sprue. It's why tank kits are more expensive than infantry.

Although, it is worth noting that for some reason the front page of the Ork page on GW's site has it listed at $57.75(which is a completely broken link, and pulls up a blank page) and then the actual Heavy Support section has it at $49.50, and listed as "Usually ships within 24 hours".

Gargskull wrote:Why the hell should model kits have to pass safety tests anyway, they aren't even intended for kids. You have to use a knife and cutters etc to use the thing, utterly ridiculous.

Maybe someone should have pointed that out to GW before they decided that selling their stuff to kids with allowances was a good business decision.

Kanluwen wrote:
So by your logic, the Leman Russ should be cheaper than a Marine Squad--because it has less sprues?
Prices aren't dictated by the number of sprues. They're dictated by the size of what's on the sprue. It's why tank kits are more expensive than infantry.

I suspect that us mere mortals will never be able to understand GWs reasoning for their pricing structure. However as an engineer, I know that the main outlay for new plastic models is the cost of the injection moulding die. The cost of this (guessing to be £15 - 20,000) has to pay back within a set period, say 3 years. The GW sales team then have to forecast how many units they think they will sell over that time. (still with me ? )

Divide the die cost by the units sold per year x the pay back period then equals the tooling cost per box. Then add the actual cost of the plastic used in each sprue to get the actual cost.

Finally multiple the cost price by the RNG (random number generator) percentile to eventually get to the retail price.

The top & bottom of it, is that trying to understand GW pricing is equivalent to an amoeba trying to understand chaos theory, or even to paraphrase a Douglas Adams quote, expecting a logical structure is a mismatch of concepts, like the Suez crisis popping out for a bun !

Actually, they've said that the price of the molds+kit goes up the bigger and more complex the pieces involved are.

Odd, I don;t see what's so bad about a few cuts when modelling. I mean, the Kans can't be worse than the Skull Pass goblins. I got a few stuck in the palm of my hand the other day, and it was hell trying to get the little swines out again.

Kanluwen wrote:Actually, they've said that the price of the molds+kit goes up the bigger and more complex the pieces involved are.

Which is understandable, the complex, the higher the design costs, more sprues need more dies.

As I've said elsewhere recently, the overall quality & level of detail on the new stuff (40K esp.) is second to none. As a hardened life cynic, I am very nearly almost happy to pay the prices GW charge

Glad I bought mine on pre-order. Thank my impatient self.

Selling pre-ban Killa Kans, get them while they are riskay.

Only joking they have won me too many games to just sell like that.

4th edition goblin spearmen could inflict the most damage not only were the spears sharp they would break off in side the wound and most gamers had hundreds that were easily lost

I just put some of these together, and managed to get a fair number of holes in my thumbs... great models, bit pointy though.

And I'm 23!

Kroothawk wrote:GW will change the sprue eventually to meet EU requirements though.

I don't like the sound of that. Is it definite?
I might have to stock up on a few of these. :(

Marushi wrote:

I just put some of these together, and managed to get a fair number of holes in my thumbs... great models, bit pointy though.

And I'm 23!

Blood for the blood god, eh !