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HoverBoy wrote:

Volkov wrote:I would drop the master of ordinance. That will pay for another guard squad which you can use to screen the artillery, which is how I find the best way to protect them from deep strikers and outflankers. Make it impossible to for them to get to the tanks without wading through guardsmen.

You get a squad for 30pts!?

Ratlings yes.

I think he meant drop both of the MoO for 60pts.

Normally I wouldn't take the MoO. Unless your playing Apocalypse in which case take five, they might not do anything useful, but they'll do something.

Actully MoO have done great for me their ability to use FOMT to pop KFF battlewagons is surprisingly effective.

Edit: Keep in mind wagons in an KFF list are usually packed tight to get cover to as many as possible.

HoverBoy wrote:Actully MoO have done great for me their ability to use FOMT to pop KFF battlewagons is surprisingly effective.

Edit: Keep in mind wagons in an KFF list are usually packed tight to get cover to as many as possible.

Hmmm. I might have to try that.

I mean, you get what you pay for.

MoO gives you a battlecannon shot a turn for a fifth of the price of a real russ, except that it will never hit anything close to what you aimed it at and it forces your CCS to remain stationary and in LOS of what you're shooting at.

2 MoOs are nearly equal to a griffon, or ARE equal to 4 plasma gun upgrades elsewhere in your army, or a 3x meltagun SWS, any of which are likely to be more useful in your average game than a pair of MoO's, as they are likely to actually hit what you shoot at (among other benefits).

Hhmmm, i would go with three basilisks, and keep a guard bubble aroung them, but seeing as guardsmen die fast, throw in a unit or 2 of ogryn to keep the defenses solid.

Ailaros wrote:I mean, you get what you pay for.

MoO gives you a battlecannon shot a turn for a fifth of the price of a real russ, except that it will never hit anything close to what you aimed it at and it forces your CCS to remain stationary and in LOS of what you're shooting at.

He confers a earthshaker round, not a battlecannon shot.

nirvana69 wrote:Hhmmm, i would go with three basilisks, and keep a guard bubble aroung them, but seeing as guardsmen die fast, throw in a unit or 2 of ogryn to keep the defenses solid.

Hate to burst your bubble but you can get a two squad blob with a commissar and most weapon loadouts for the points of 5 ogryn.
Whych can hold better 15 stubborn wounds with LD 7 or 21 stubborn wounds with LD 9?
And thats not factoring in who shoots better

It might seem heretical, but I don't usually bubble wrap my Basilisks.

I usually run a Mech list with two scoops of Plasma CCS and Melta Vets so the basilisks actually tend to be low priority targets.

When I can I also tend to deploy them as far away from one another as possible stil in LOS, it leaves them pretty vulnerable to outflankers but whatever killed the basi gets to eat two earthshaker rounds for it's trouble. It can be pretty devastating if the enemy unit assaulted the basilisk and is bunched up.

At 125pts, I just don't find it worthwhile to spend upwards of 50pts to protect them.

to be fair, though, the ogryn are T5, and they're fewer in models, making them less vulnerable to blast and template weapons. Throw a colossus blast at 150 points of guardsmen you're looking at something like 66% casualties. Throw it at 150 points of ogryn, and one of the ogryn takes A wound.

In any case, the idea of castling up with artillery and throwing a meat shield in front of it is straight out of 3rd. ed. For lots of reasons it just simply doesn't work anymore outside of a few select circumstances.

Most effective use for bassies/manticores: place them hugging the board edge so pesky termies cant nip in behind them, put cover inbetween it and the enemy-the closer to the ordnance the better- with conscripts or gaurdsmen acting as meatshields to the side and let rip. MoO could go nearby, where they can unleash bassie-class firepower without getting shredded by machine-gun fire. If ur afraid of skimmers getting the bassies or something getting through ther guardsmen, put a techy with servitors nearby-both to repair and to use those servo-arms to counter-assault the enemy. Quite pricey, but well worth it. And, if you really wanna scare the enemy get urself a deathstrike. The look on his face when a whole squadron of tanks get wiped out.

Thatguyoverthere wrote:

HoverBoy wrote:Actully MoO have done great for me their ability to use FOMT to pop KFF battlewagons is surprisingly effective.

Edit: Keep in mind wagons in an KFF list are usually packed tight to get cover to as many as possible.

Hmmm. I might have to try that.

I had a game recently where a FOMT MOO immob'd a smoked LR, those things are too big to miss

As someone who actually uses a deathstrike: YES. And Nice Shooting.

I take a deathstrike and as many bassies as I can. Griffs used to be better, but the accurate bombardment isn't bad. I suppose it largely depends on what sort of table you play on.