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Mannahnin wrote:Chaos daemons in the current and old Chaos Space Marines codices can and could assault after being summoned. The codex of all-daemons can’t, and this is part of their balance. Their units would all be considerably more expensive if they could. They’re priced with the expectation that your opponent is going to get a turn of shooting at them before they get to assault.

well thank you for the information.

believe me that downside is FAIR what the heck are you going to do against his bloodthirster if it deepstrikes in and assaults that turn? Trust me if you dont put a few wounds on his bigger daemons you WONT kill them.(Bloodthirster has WS 10) and look at the soul grinder, it has front armor of 13. Once it gets into melee not many things short of a power claw or thunder hammer (yes i know there IS more but not much) can even glance it in melee. And if you think about it like this other melee heavy army have to deploy ON the field and so would normaly get shot at for 2 or 3 rounds before they get into CC, so 1 turn of getting shot at (with ALL invulnerable saves) is NOT that bad. And again if he has any units with shooting attacks he CAN still shoot the turn he lands.


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my recomendation is next time you play just start your whole army in reserve. then when he teleports onto the field and has nothing to assault it wont be an issue. And in this method you dont come onto the board till turn two, so he will have a whole other turn to deepstrike his guys in reserve onto the board before you even start bringing yours on.

Yea hell have plenty of turns to DS stuff along you'r table edge and has sucsesfully prevented you'r infantry from firing any heavy weapons, nice plan

Im still wondering if anyone knows any more specific sources than just the basic chaos space marines have it so I should to theory for how this whole idea works, or is that really the only place this started. If anyone knows an article or post that helped start this that I can refrence that would be awesome.

Well, it goes without saying you need a mobile list if you play the reserves games, afterwich the Daemon army is the one going uphill.


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@TheAvengingKnee:
What?
The answer is no, he can't assault the turn he enters the game with Codex: Daemons.

That rules question is answered.

If you are looking for Daemons that enter play that are 'unique' and part of the CSM codex, that would be the 3.5 dex when Deepstriking still used the large blast templates lol.

Otherwise, this is done. That player is wrong/don't play him if he continues.

Let him deepstrike his guys along your table edge. That means his daemons are VERY spread out. then you come in as far as you can and shoot the crap out of him 1 squad at a time. he can only move them so far in 1 turn so if you just kill the closest squads each turn they will have to keep slugging away to get to you. by the time the bulk of his force gets to you you will have racked a few kill points and then on the next turn (when you get more of your reserves) bring some guys in from behind and shoot him in the back. Now he has to choose to keep going for your first set of guys or turn his force around and come back for your new squads, or split his forces.