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2010/04/24 22:53:44
Subject: Re:Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Ahtman wrote:No one went thinking it was going to be The 400 Blows, but they also weren't expecting a cliche laiden, shoot for the lowest common denominator plot with world class FX either.
Really? Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself?
I am no more speaking for everyone then you are. It is a bit disingenuous to complain about someone using broad strokes in response to your own use of them.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2010/04/24 23:24:20
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
I really liked Avatar, but that said, I felt that the story of Pandora was pretty complete. It wrapped up in the typical feel good Hollywood way. My personal hope was that the sequel would take place on a different planet, with a different alien species being "avatar'd," but I guess they already invested so much into Pandora and the Navi that it would be easier to recycle.
Pandora calls for only one thing, orbital bombardments/airstrikes (whatever the army can manage in that time line) to kill all the stuff that tries to look at humans. Then rob the planet of it's richest.
2010/04/24 23:43:34
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Soladrin wrote:Pandora calls for only one thing, orbital bombardments/airstrikes (whatever the army can manage in that time line) to kill all the stuff that tries to look at humans. Then rob the planet of it's richest.
Orbital bombardments...
...Or Bonbaonbardlements? I mean, if you're going to bring about the Apocalpocalpse, you might as well not skimp out on quality.
"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes." - Robert A. Heinlein
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2010/04/25 01:59:32
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Since the first one was essentially Pocahontas in space, the second one may well just use the story of Pocahontas 2: Journey to a New World... just for continuity.
Ahtman wrote:No one went thinking it was going to be The 400 Blows, but they also weren't expecting a cliche laiden, shoot for the lowest common denominator plot with world class FX either.
Really? Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself?
I am no more speaking for everyone then you are. It is a bit disingenuous to complain about someone using broad strokes in response to your own use of them.
Whu? All I was saying was that a person would have to be fairly stupid (or have little cultural awareness) to expect anything other than what Avatar ultimately was. Anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of how Hollywood works (including me, I'm FAR from being an expert!) would realise that a film which had that much money spent on it was always going to be lowest common denominator in terms of plot. The vast majority of American films today are fething awful, precisely for this reason. That's not me being a snooty Brit, it's just a fact. There's just too much at stake for Hollywood to take risks.
Corvus wrote:I thought the original was a classic example of form over substance.
Umm, duh. Spectacle film favours spectacular over grounded reality. Film at 11.
Meanwhile, I thought Avatar was a really well executed blockbuster, but I don't really have much enthusiasm for a sequel. The story is told.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2010/04/25 19:55:07
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Avatar is like a Michael Bay movie...it's got the "Transformers Syndrome"....all CG...and when it's not in 3D...the CG does not really look that spectacular.
Sold everything.
2010/04/25 19:57:03
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
IG_urban wrote:Avatar is like a Michael Bay movie...it's got the "Transformers Syndrome"....all CG...and when it's not in 3D...the CG does not really look that spectacular.
Really?
I saw avatar in 2d first, and then got dragged to 3d (they paid for ticket and beers that night though)
Most of the time i forgot it was 3d and didn't even notice the difference.
2010/04/25 20:07:10
Subject: Re:Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Ahtman wrote:No one went thinking it was going to be The 400 Blows, but they also weren't expecting a cliche laiden, shoot for the lowest common denominator plot with world class FX either.
Really? Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself?
I am no more speaking for everyone then you are. It is a bit disingenuous to complain about someone using broad strokes in response to your own use of them.
Whu? All I was saying was that a person would have to be fairly stupid (or have little cultural awareness) to expect anything other than what Avatar ultimately was.
No, what you just said was stupid. You don't realize how overly broad that is, as well as insulting? Going into a movie with no preconceptions does not an idiot make. There have been Hollywood films that were not poorly written. Before it came out the only thing that was certain was that the special effects were going to be top-notch. Just because people don't go into a movie expecting it to be meh doesn't make them idiotic any more then expecting it to be good.
Albatross wrote:I'm FAR from being an expert!
Now that is something that actually is obvious.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2010/04/25 20:47:33
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
IG_urban wrote:Avatar is like a Michael Bay movie...it's got the "Transformers Syndrome"....all CG...and when it's not in 3D...the CG does not really look that spectacular.
Really?
I saw avatar in 2d first, and then got dragged to 3d (they paid for ticket and beers that night though)
Most of the time i forgot it was 3d and didn't even notice the difference.
cool story. the CG still isn't that spectacular...not worth 12 fething years.
Automatically Appended Next Post: District 9s cg was WAAAAYYYY better.
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Sold everything.
2010/04/25 22:59:57
Subject: Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
2010/04/26 00:10:13
Subject: Re:Avatar 2 plotline reveled. LET THE RAGE BEGIN.
Ahtman wrote:No one went thinking it was going to be The 400 Blows, but they also weren't expecting a cliche laiden, shoot for the lowest common denominator plot with world class FX either.
Really? Are you speaking for everyone, or just yourself?
I am no more speaking for everyone then you are. It is a bit disingenuous to complain about someone using broad strokes in response to your own use of them.
Whu? All I was saying was that a person would have to be fairly stupid (or have little cultural awareness) to expect anything other than what Avatar ultimately was.
No, what you just said was stupid. You don't realize how overly broad that is, as well as insulting? Going into a movie with no preconceptions does not an idiot make.
No, but it does a fething liar make. Are you seriously claiming that you had literally ZERO in the way of pre-conceived ideas about what Avatar might be like? Have you actually SEEN any mega-budget Hollywood films? Was this your first? I have no problem insulting you (in a round about way...) if you're going to make ridiculous statements. Even if it were true that you weren't bringing any prejudices with you (subconciously or not), which it just isn't by the way, your reaction to this film was a little OTT. It really isn't all THAT bad as these sorts of things go - I have seen much, much worse.
There have been Hollywood films that were not poorly written.
Kindly quote me if I said that all Hollywood films are poorly written.
Before it came out the only thing that was certain was that the special effects were going to be top-notch.
And that James Cameron was directing. And that it had a massive budget. And that Sam 'Mahogany' Worthington was in it.
Just because people don't go into a movie expecting it to be meh doesn't make them idiotic any more then expecting it to be good.
Well, when they display the levels of rage towards the film that you do, you have to wonder... again, it's like you've never seen a Hollywood blockbuster, and you're just learning what everyone else has known for years.
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