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I doubt any store would put it like that.

G

I would complain.

While they're welcome to deny you the right to play in a tourney at their store, GW is just as welcome to not allow them to host an 'Ardboys tourney in the future, or provide prize support for any of the store's RT tourneys.

Eric

Its not just me. =p

I wouldn't even care if there was anyone else close enough to host it, but I'm going to have to drive 2-3 hours to a store for preliminaries now - against people I don't know, instead of the guaranteed 1st place I'd get locally. :(

I don't blame you, the Ard Boyz is all about winning.

G

Darkzephyr wrote:

The other place is called Comic Shop Plus in Newark. They run tournaments on a regular basis and usually get at least 8-10 Attendees for any given tournament with Prize support. They usually run softer tournies and I've played there once, but they definitely seem to have a good mix of solid players.

Its normally us dayton guys who drive 2 hours to play there that win stuff

Anyone know of stores running on the 16th around Ohio? I may not be able to play on the 15th but could the 16th. I've been asked to run the ard boyz event at a local shop

Both events here in dayton are on the 15th

Wow. I'm kinda shocked this even happens. So even though it's 'Ard Boyz, and there are all these top tier players in your store....you're all going to try and find weaker opponents in different areas?

Doesn't sound too 'Ard to me.

Dez wrote:Wow. I'm kinda shocked this even happens. So even though it's 'Ard Boyz, and there are all these top tier players in your store....you're all going to try and find weaker opponents in different areas?

Doesn't sound too 'Ard to me.

I originally thought the same thing. Then I though "I would really like to win to somewhat justify the massive amount of cash I put into this". I enjoy playing immensely, but winning a tournament would be nice. However, I would not drive 2,3, let alone 4+ hours to another store for a chance at it.

There are 3 stores in my area and some of the players are going to other shops not because they can find weaker opponents to guarantee them a spot, but because they are just closer to their houses.

As to the players doing that (store roving), it's sorta just an extension of picking your fights. There is a certain logic in choosing the battles that will further your goals the most. I might go to a different store if I knew my chances were better there against people my own level (there are 5 at my FLGS that i cannot win against), but not to an extreme like an overnight drive.

If you won the entire tournament (top spot at the finals I mean) would you feel bad about it if you crushed some weaker opponent in the prelims who had no chance against you?

I'll agree with Dez. It's a pathetic image: a bunch of adult men driving two to three hours so they can stomp on teens rather than play other grown up men.

olympia wrote:I'll agree with Dez. It's a pathetic image: a bunch of adult men driving two to three hours so they can stomp on teens rather than play other grown up men.

Is it also pathetic to drive 5-10 minutes to do the same? My FLGS age range for tournaments is I think 16 at the youngest and 33 at the oldest.

It doesn't really matter. The big prize is the 2500 point army for taking 1st place in the semi finals. If a group splits up in the first round they will most likely end up facing each other in the semi finals, assuming they are good enough. I had to play two fellow members in my club last year at the semi finals.

G

olympia wrote:I'll agree with Dez. It's a pathetic image: a bunch of adult men driving two to three hours so they can stomp on teens rather than play other grown up men.

agreed as well...

Last year at my local shop some people from out of the way showed up and played, I played someone I had never met before all 3 games. I tabled my first opponent and beat my third opponent by a good margin. I did lose my second match to one of these guys, but the dice favored him by a ridiculous amount and it was very close still.

Point is, I hope these guys come to my local store again this year. I plan on tabling all of them

gothgar wrote:

olympia wrote:I'll agree with Dez. It's a pathetic image: a bunch of adult men driving two to three hours so they can stomp on teens rather than play other grown up men.

agreed as well...

Last year at my local shop some people from out of the way showed up and played, I played someone I had never met before all 3 games. I tabled my first opponent and beat my third opponent by a good margin. I did lose my second match to one of these guys, but the dice favored him by a ridiculous amount and it was very close still.

Point is, I hope these guys come to my local store again this year. I plan on tabling all of them

Makes sense to me. It's 'Ard Boys, you guys should be competing to see who the best is!

olympia wrote:I'll agree with Dez. It's a pathetic image: a bunch of adult men driving two to three hours so they can stomp on teens rather than play other grown up men.

That's not only extremely offensive, but a complete misnomer and a trolling post to boot. Please, leave Dakka and never return, you don't seem to ever contribute anything but insults to a thread.

There was nothing about teens vs grown men, or picking on anyone. There's a good chunk of players in the LA area that can comfortably place themselves in the top 5% of 40k players in the entire world. If they all play each other and half get eliminated in the preliminaries, that doesn't exactly stack up against the rest of the 'Ard Boyz competition does it?

If I'm in the top 1% elite of masterful 40k players who can win literally any event through tactical prowess and army building skill....and a bunch of other gamers in the same category as me live and game with me, it makes no sense to eliminate each other in the opening rounds. That doesn't mean every other store except the one that they play at is full of teens or children, or that winning there is a lesser accomplishment at all. Put it like this:

Dave Fay, Reecius, Hulksmash among others: If I had a choice between facing one of them in a tournament.....or facing any random player that I don't know and have never met before....even if they have crafted a list specifically tailored to beat me....I would rather face off against the stranger. I live 3,000 miles away from L.A., but having gamed against a wide audience across the country (and the world) in my travels to play in big events, there are some top-notch players there.

Now, stop being a jerk.


*EDIT*

I'm also not going to be playing at the closest store to me. There are three venues within an hour of me that are hosting 'Ard Boyz.

1. Game Connection, 30 minutes away. I've won every tournament and every game of 40k I've ever played in at this store. The gamers are lousy. They are also incredibly elitist, and extremely offensive. I played here last year for 'Ard Boyz preliminaries on Sunday - I had actually already won my semi-final ticket at another store on Saturday, but I went with a friend to this preliminary as well specifically with the intent of denying the local players 'Ard Boyz spots. He brought a friend as well, and between us, we took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I gave up my ticket at the other store to take this one.

2. All Fun and Games, 45 minutes away. There's not a player in the store I'm afraid to face on the table, and have pretty much won everything I've played in there. The TO is kind of a freak, has house rules that run counter to GW and the 40k rulebook, and is unpleasant at best. I'm choosing not to play here because I don't like how he runs events. I'm certain that I'd get a spot to semi-finals if I attended. I'd rather play at a strange store than do this.

3. The Hobbit Hobby: Last year there were...40 players I think for 'Ard Boyz preliminaries. I attended on Saturday and won 1st. They also hosted semi-finals. My first round opponent at semi-finals is a local player, and I packed up my models at the top of turn2 despite having an advantageous position on the table because the arguing and fighting crested my tolerance and I simply wasn't willing to deal with it anymore. He's let me know since then (through Dakka and elsewhere) that he to run a smear campaign against me, and try turning the entire world of 40k against me. With the possible risk of showing up to find people I don't know making my day unfun....I'm choosing not to attend here.

Instead, I'm driving 3 hours away to a store I've never been to, to play with gamers I've never met. I'm a damned fine player and have no doubt that I'll do well, and I'm probably going to have a serious edge because of the level of gaming I'm at; I've got an incredibly tuned Ork list that I know the ins and outs of very well at this point - I expect to brutalize my opponents; I'll be pleasantly surprised if something different happens.

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm a damned fine player and have no doubt that I'll do well, and I'm probably going to have a serious edge because of the level of gaming I'm at; I've got an incredibly tuned Ork list that I know the ins and outs of very well at this point - I expect to brutalize my opponents; I'll be pleasantly surprised if something different happens.

Wait... You mean actually playing with a static list multiple times before an event makes you a better at playing that list and makes your odds of winning increase...? You mean you can't simply say "Hay Guyz? Whut list should I takez to 'ard boyz and Winz deh gamez!" or take a tier 1 army codex and then get a trip to the finals? It almost sounds like there should be a word for doing something regularly in order to be able to do it better...

Maybe it should begin with the letter P...

But you have to admit... Not all people choosing to change up a venue for 'ard boyz are doing it in order to simply play new people. Many are playing with a Metalist they downloaded the week before with a bunch of blue-tacked greys that they are still assembling hours before the actual event because they are wanting to avoid players who actually practise 40k opposed to theoryhammer it. Many of the posts in the tournament forums recently have been very pathetic when people who clearly have zero hope of success of winning at 'ard boyz are theoryhammering metalists as if that will help them win. I see lots of bragging in this forum and I expect may 16th I will see lots of "I won, because of skill" and "I lost due to unfair matchups, bad dice rolls and missions."

When you boil it down, I am very skeptical of all these people looking to 'avoid' things in the first round. In a perfect world... the most competitive way to handle this would be able to randomly play against anyone from any location as there is nothing able to verify the 'big fish in a little pond' syndrome. Skipping a place because the TO is a jerk or the local players are bad is one thing... Seeking out a weak playerbase to increase your chance of winning without actually playing better or being a good player is what people seem to be suspicious of. Not everyone is doing that, but it is clear some people clearly are.

Edit: On second thought, let me not add fuel to the fire!

Dashofpepper wrote: There's a good chunk of players in the LA area that can comfortably place themselves in the top 5% of 40k players in the entire world. .....

As long as the "tournament" includes "wacky, fun!" missions and scores for painting, sports, and composition.

nkelsch wrote:
But you have to admit... Not all people choosing to change up a venue for 'ard boyz are doing it in order to simply play new people. Many are playing with a Metalist they downloaded the week before with a bunch of blue-tacked greys that they are still assembling hours before the actual event because they are wanting to avoid players who actually practise 40k opposed to theoryhammer it. Many of the posts in the tournament forums recently have been very pathetic when people who clearly have zero hope of success of winning at 'ard boyz are theoryhammering metalists as if that will help them win. I see lots of bragging in this forum and I expect may 16th I will see lots of "I won, because of skill" and "I lost due to unfair matchups, bad dice rolls and missions."

When you boil it down, I am very skeptical of all these people looking to 'avoid' things in the first round. In a perfect world...

I agree.

However, I'm specifically referring to the OP, the L.A. area, and the gamers he is talking about, not the wider world of 40k.

Thanks for explaining it, guys. I can now see your point of view. I don't necessarily agree with it, but at least I understand which was the point of my reply.

@Olympia

Actually we'd probably do better with standard missions At least that's what most of us have been lobbying for .

Though I don't think we're in the top 5% or anything like that I do think we have a very strong group of players in our area and I can understand wanting all your friends to get as far as possible. I'm just hoping someone is running it on the 16th locally because I don't think I can play on the 15th.

Dashofpepper wrote:

If I'm in the top 1% elite of masterful 40k players who can win literally any event through tactical prowess and army building skill....

I just want to make sure if people dont read that whole tldr text wall of self aggrandizement they at least catch that snippet and have their day made.

Wow.

Keyword, IF. Please read the rest of that sentence in his reponse. There is a hypothetical situation, he's not making that claim.

I saw it. There is no if about it. Please read the rest of that post, it is quite obvious he is talking about himself indirectly....

Something like:

I'm a damned fine player and have no doubt that I'll do well, and I'm probably going to have a serious edge because of the level of gaming I'm at; I've got an incredibly tuned Ork list that I know the ins and outs of very well at this point - I expect to brutalize my opponents; I'll be pleasantly surprised if something different happens.

Plus his self aggrandizing sig and location etc, and you question the "if"? Really?

Yeah, but it wasn't done in a rude manner or anything, its not like he just said "I'm the best, you all suck." or anything. Plus it was actually relevant to thread in some way.Not a personal attack.

Olympia, your posts in this thread have been antagonistic and are a carry-over of the "comp and sports scores means it's not a tournament" rantings.

If you continue to be antagonistic, disciplinary action will be taken. Be nice.

Thank you.

Ego much?

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm also not going to be playing at the closest store to me. There are three venues within an hour of me that are hosting 'Ard Boyz.

1. Game Connection, 30 minutes away. I've won every tournament and every game of 40k I've ever played in at this store. The gamers are lousy. They are also incredibly elitist, and extremely offensive. I played here last year for 'Ard Boyz preliminaries on Sunday - I had actually already won my semi-final ticket at another store on Saturday, but I went with a friend to this preliminary as well specifically with the intent of denying the local players 'Ard Boyz spots. He brought a friend as well, and between us, we took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I gave up my ticket at the other store to take this one.

I don't know what to make of this.

...He's let me know since then (through Dakka and elsewhere) that he to run a smear campaign against me, and try turning the entire world of 40k against me...

After your previous statement, I don't know that anyone else could orchestrate as effective a smear campaign against you as the one you are orchestrating against yourself.

* face palm *

Wow just wow.

G

Wow I missed that. Thats messed up.

Redbeard wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:
I'm also not going to be playing at the closest store to me. There are three venues within an hour of me that are hosting 'Ard Boyz.

1. Game Connection, 30 minutes away. I've won every tournament and every game of 40k I've ever played in at this store. The gamers are lousy. They are also incredibly elitist, and extremely offensive. I played here last year for 'Ard Boyz preliminaries on Sunday - I had actually already won my semi-final ticket at another store on Saturday, but I went with a friend to this preliminary as well specifically with the intent of denying the local players 'Ard Boyz spots. He brought a friend as well, and between us, we took 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I gave up my ticket at the other store to take this one.

I don't know what to make of this.

...He's let me know since then (through Dakka and elsewhere) that he to run a smear campaign against me, and try turning the entire world of 40k against me...

After your previous statement, I don't know that anyone else could orchestrate as effective a smear campaign against you as the one you are orchestrating against yourself.

I won't go into great detail.....but when I say incredibly elitist and extremely offensive, I was being generous. To assuage my wife, I agreed not to game there anymore last year because she was afraid it was going to get physically violent. I'd welcome an altercation with these guys - they're simply bad people. Rude, offensive, willing to make physical threats. I actually called the police when one of them published some hate mail about my wife threatening to kill her if she went into the store. Posted that on a public website.

So yeah...I don't feel bad for what I did. I went into the store, didn't talk to anyone, played my three games mostly in silence; conspired with my two friends, took the top three places; picked up my ticket and left. Haven't been back since. Redbeard, I've travelled all over now and had nothing but fun and good experiences with gamers across the country. I don't feel bad about a few local jerks anymore - I don't play locally anymore. I get in my friendly games on Vassal against folks from all over, and for tournaments....I go all over the place.

Don't feel the need to make assumptions.
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@Panama: Welcome to Dakka, please be less offensive towards your fellow posters. You'll last longer. The top percentile of masterful players that I'm talking about are the LA area folks. Hulksmash here - I would pit money on him in a 40k game anyone in the world, including myself. Haven't seen Reecius in action all that much, but I've been told stories (mostly by Hulksmash) and there are some other phenomenal players in the area there. Taking a compliment about someone else and bringing it out of context to insult me is petty. Stop being a dick.

BBF, I'd give you the same advice about sniping around edges, but you wouldn't listen.
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Hulksmash, Reecius, etc: Go play at different stores, and trounce everyone but each other.

So much hate and anger in only two pages!

I'd be amazed.

If I wasn't seriously annoyed.

Play by the rules here on Dakka Dakka (see the link in my signature) or prepare to (cue ominous music) suffer the consequences...