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i think this calls for commando crawling Space marines.

i have a 3+ cover save because i am behind this little 1/4" wall and you can't see me.

ComputerGeek01 wrote:Based on this thread I am heat bending all of my IG into the prone position. They are have not gone to ground that is simply how I built them, and as far as being able to see them? Try to tell me that you can see them in cover.

Now are we done with the chedder abuse of the rules?

so your saying because our model come prone were cheating?

TopC wrote:

ComputerGeek01 wrote:Based on this thread I am heat bending all of my IG into the prone position. They are have not gone to ground that is simply how I built them, and as far as being able to see them? Try to tell me that you can see them in cover.

Now are we done with the chedder abuse of the rules?

so your saying because our model come prone were cheating?

Depends, is using IG HWS squad legs for regular infantry cheating? If so, then I'd say intentionally acquiring only the prone fire warriors is just as dubious. While I realize that you weren't the one to bring it up, swapping models midgame is certainly a questionable enough tactic as well. Also, there was a couple pewter IG snipers who were kneeling and prone as I recall. Would an entire squad of those be out of the question?

@ TopC: Are you accussing my idea of cheating? Just because I want my men to be represented by models that are smart enough to duck? I would have to go through a lot of effort in this conversion to heat bend the 100+ infantry I have. Certainly more effort then just throwing away the standing ones.

On a serious note though, if it were any other army I would say yes this is abusing the rules regardless of how the models come. But for the Tau I think they need what ever edge they can find, this isn't the way to go about it but if your opponent if being cheesy then as a show of disrespect I would expect something like this tactic. I would honestly allow KillKrazy's idea of swapping out models at least once or twice to see how much it acctually changes the direction of the game. Firewarriors don't have the numerical advantage where a tactic like this, cheesy as it is, would topple the balance of the game but it is worth noting that it could make a differance. I want to play test a game now with all the Tau "coutning as" kneeling models. Remember you can't shoot over a wall with these units if they are all kneeling.

Whenever a player has an awesome conversion that may effect gameplay (too big or too small) we always treat the model as the size of the original. So if there was a squad of tau all kneeling we would treat the squad as the standing size.

Changing models during the game for height would be the same as changing it to a different squad.

Standing squad went in the transport how would kneeling squad come out? I may as well as put my new big termies on the table so I have better los for shooting, go in a raider and have my squad of old smaller based ones for the next close combat.

I would not care if you modeled all your IG crawling. They would have just as much trouble drawing LoS as what wants to shoot at them, and Guardsmen are a considerable part of IG anti-infantry capability.

How about this: My sentinels are standing during my turn, and then I replace them with the ones I have ducking down during your turn.

I don't think so.

daedalus wrote:How about this: My sentinels are standing during my turn, and then I replace them with the ones I have ducking down during your turn.

I don't think so.

No, it's clear that you can't change what model you're using in the middle of the game, as doing that is not provided for in the rules.

Also, that would very much be violating the "spirit" of the rules, which is that the position and size of a model matter to the rules of the game, as can be seen in the cover and LoS rules repeatedly.

However, if you were to model your sentinels to be crouching all the time, I wouldn't have a big problem with it, because it would be consistent, and it would bring along with it some disadvantages (lower height for trying to draw LoS) along with the advantages (easier to get cover).

I thought when firing weapons from a unit ranks kneel and stuff like that so you can shoot pass them so wouldn't that mean any unit that can stand behind a skimmer would be allowed to shoot pass one. As long as they are skimmers.

Or do all your guys shoot the others in the back of heads now. I know GW uses TLOS but your model isn't just standing there is it.

I think this silliness has gone on long enough...

Yes, the LOS rules can be abused through creative modelling. Doing so won't get you repeat opponents, though.