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I was actually responding to the other guy, but okay:

From what I know, Pariahs are deadly to psykers. Dunno where this comes from, but I imagine somebody knows.

However, in both the Eisenhorn/Ravenor books, Abnett refers to Blanks or "Untouchables" as humans that nullify warp powers within a vicinity. They lack the same kind of psyker-killing power that pariahs have, however, as they are shown near psykers (like ravenor, etc) without killing them (even when their inhibitor is off).

Nurglitch wrote:I'm asking someone to cite the source material, the stuff published by GW, rather than fan-fiction.

You deem BL fan fiction?

Sources of the lexi article:

* 1:Eisenhorn Trilogy
* Inquisitor Annual 2004
* Ravenor Series
* For The Emperor by Sandy Mitchell,
* Caves of Ice by Sandy Mitchell,
* The Traitor's Hand by Sandy Mitchell,
* Death or Glory by Sandy Mitchell,
* Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium by Sandy Mitchell

and additional sources mentioned in lexi's primary tongue:

# Codex Dämonenjäger ( C:demonhunters )
# Codex Necrons, dritte Edition ( C:necrons )

Looks like its either necrons ( pariah ) or Inquisition as available source.

Page, Chapter, and Book, please.

Example:

"Pariahs", p.17, Necron Army List, Codex: Necrons.

"Culexus Assassins", p.5, Assassins, Codex: Assassins.

Ravenor: The Omnibus, Chapter 3, p82.

Sixth full paragraph down. It describes Wystan Frauka as a blank (or Untouchable, Blunter, etc). Kys, a psyker, is near him when his inhibitor goes off and she doesn't suffer any ill effects other than losing her powers.

Thus either Blanks and Pariahs are NOT the same, or Pariahs are not capable of harming psykers with their presence.

Ciaphas Cain is confusing on blank issues.

For example, Necron pariahs have a "fear" effect that is obviously psychic (Jurgen is immune), despite being... You know, anti-psykers. Source: Caves of Ice

The Black Library novels contain many inconsistencies. Iacton Qruze, for example, is a Terran veteran in "Horus Rising" but becomes a Cthonian later on in the series.

The entry on Culexus Assassins describes Pariahs as having a ravening maw in place of a soul. Not simply an absense of Chaos, but an aggressive non-existence in the Warp which destroys the Warp-presence of nearby real-space entities.

The Soulless rule only reduces Leadership to Ld7, the leadership of an Imperial Guard Infantryman, while the Psychic Abomination rule only causes Morale Checks in Psyckers at close range. The Life Drain rule seems specific to the Culexus rather than a general rule for Pariahs.

Put in Warhammer terms, if we consider the status of "Blank" as merely being soulless, then being around someone that's soulless would be un-naturally aggravating and unpleasant. But being around someone or something both soulless and a psychic abomination, that would both be actively unpleasant, and the cause of psychic activity. Draining the ambient psychic energy from a location adjacent to a volume of real-space would be just as much psychic activity as drawing more psychic energy or using it.

An analogy might be that of a nearby star. That star has an effect on nearby stars and planets (planets in this analogy being non-living but still psychically active) by constantly radiating particles which illuminate its planets and define its system boundaries where that solar wind encounters incoming solar radiations. By this analogy a regular person would be a yellow star like our own, moderately psychically active in its output and input, while a psycker would be a giant star, both pumping out masses of high-energy particles and having its mass distorting the space around it.

A Blank, by contrast, would be like a brown dwarf, mostly gravity with very little output.

A Pariah, on the gripping hand, would be like a black hole, a ravening psychic singularity of tremendous gravitational pull whose only output is some terrifying psychic analog to Hawking radiation.

Nurglitch wrote:Put in Warhammer terms, if we consider the status of "Blank" as merely being soulless, then being around someone that's soulless would be un-naturally aggravating and unpleasant. But being around someone or something both soulless and a psychic abomination, that would both be actively unpleasant, and the cause of psychic activity. Draining the ambient psychic energy from a location adjacent to a volume of real-space would be just as much psychic activity as drawing more psychic energy or using it.

An analogy might be that of a nearby star. That star has an effect on nearby stars and planets (planets in this analogy being non-living but still psychically active) by constantly radiating particles which illuminate its planets and define its system boundaries where that solar wind encounters incoming solar radiations. By this analogy a regular person would be a yellow star like our own, moderately psychically active in its output and input, while a psycker would be a giant star, both pumping out masses of high-energy particles and having its mass distorting the space around it.

A Blank, by contrast, would be like a brown dwarf, mostly gravity with very little output.

A Pariah, on the gripping hand, would be like a black hole, a ravening psychic singularity of tremendous gravitational pull whose only output is some terrifying psychic analog to Hawking radiation.

Interesting comparison.

So then a Greater Demon would be something like a quasar?

That's the problem with analogies, they tend to be inexact and misleading once you get away from the congruity at hand.

But to strain the analogy, I'd suggest that a Greater Daemon would be be empty space.

Specifically the Greater Daemons of Khorne would be the entropic effect such empty space has on denser regions of space-time, indiscriminately annihilating it.

Greater Daemons of Tzeentch would be the quantum froth or vaccuum charge of such empty space.

Greater Daemons of Nurgle would be the infinite emptiness that stars, galaxies, and everything dissipates into (hence why both Nurgling and Greaters Daemons are all identical with the Grandfather Himself, as nothingness is both eternal and the same at all scales).

Greater Daemons of Slaanesh would be the spaces in between particles, the essential lie that the material world exists at all.

Nurglitch wrote:The Black Library novels contain many inconsistencies. Iacton Qruze, for example, is a Terran veteran in "Horus Rising" but becomes a Cthonian later on in the series.

The entry on Culexus Assassins describes Pariahs as having a ravening maw in place of a soul. Not simply an absense of Chaos, but an aggressive non-existence in the Warp which destroys the Warp-presence of nearby real-space entities.

The Soulless rule only reduces Leadership to Ld7, the leadership of an Imperial Guard Infantryman, while the Psychic Abomination rule only causes Morale Checks in Psyckers at close range. The Life Drain rule seems specific to the Culexus rather than a general rule for Pariahs.

Put in Warhammer terms, if we consider the status of "Blank" as merely being soulless, then being around someone that's soulless would be un-naturally aggravating and unpleasant. But being around someone or something both soulless and a psychic abomination, that would both be actively unpleasant, and the cause of psychic activity. Draining the ambient psychic energy from a location adjacent to a volume of real-space would be just as much psychic activity as drawing more psychic energy or using it.

An analogy might be that of a nearby star. That star has an effect on nearby stars and planets (planets in this analogy being non-living but still psychically active) by constantly radiating particles which illuminate its planets and define its system boundaries where that solar wind encounters incoming solar radiations. By this analogy a regular person would be a yellow star like our own, moderately psychically active in its output and input, while a psycker would be a giant star, both pumping out masses of high-energy particles and having its mass distorting the space around it.

A Blank, by contrast, would be like a brown dwarf, mostly gravity with very little output.

A Pariah, on the gripping hand, would be like a black hole, a ravening psychic singularity of tremendous gravitational pull whose only output is some terrifying psychic analog to Hawking radiation.

This is pretty much what I was trying to say.

would Khorne ever use blanks since he hates psychic power?

Now that is a plausable situation.


Unfortunantly blanks would weaken any nearby khorn deamons, but their anti-warp energies could be useful.

interesting, i must think on these things.

Rules-wise it's interesting that the Blessing of the Blood God in both its versions makes the bearer resistant to the effects of psychic powers, whereas Soulless and Psychic Abomination don't.

Nurglitch wrote:I'm asking someone to cite the source material, the stuff published by GW, rather than fan-fiction.

Necron Codex. If your ever going to buy a codex just for fluff and not for gaming get the Necron one. Most GW material has all these mysteries and stuff so you can be the writer but not the Necron one. It just staight up lays it all out the last like 100 million years of history os something like that.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:I'm asking someone to cite the source material, the stuff published by GW, rather than fan-fiction.

Necron Codex. If your ever going to buy a codex just for fluff and not for gaming get the Necron one. Most GW material has all these mysteries and stuff so you can be the writer but not the Necron one. It just staight up lays it all out the last like 100 million years of history os something like that.

Oh, missed the whole second page there. So some seem to be saying think that a blank is like zero soul and a Pariah is like negative soul? I don't know if I buy that. A culexus is just a blank or untouchable or whatever you want to call them with its abilities amped up by training and/or tech. Just like the Necron Pariah.