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Thinking back to GW's last full report it I note that the profit that GW announced [by no means a large about] was based on allot of partnership/royalty strands. I can't remember [and am too lazy to check] but i'm sure that in-house cash generation was less than or just slightly more than cost. GW could be postitioning themselves for a more self sustaining position? [or collapse!]

Also it now strikes me that they could be expecting one of the partnerships to come to an end for such a big increase one off increase.

No more LotR or Ultramarine the movie sucking a bit more funding than expected?

Let the conspiricies or Fan pushback 2010 begin!

LunaHound wrote:Thats quite a large increase.
I wonder what excuses will be given this time -_-
Basically 40% price increase within 3 years?

Simple: They keep their revenue constant or declining for years, so it's 40% less sales in 3 years!

Orion_44 wrote:It is GW policy that those who buy the product will always buy it because they are the best minatures in the world and those who buy care more about quality of the minature and not the price no matter how much it is.

These customers have the "hobby gene" and will buy regardless due to the quality of the game, support of the company, and detail of the minatures

People would ask at the HC why it was so expensive to get into the hobby. Our regional manager told us to inform them that, "this is a luxury hobby, and we are the Porche of miniature gaming".

Fleabay, Maelstrom, Wayland for my fix but those damn direct only items

Ironic, because IMO Porsche => overrated and overpriced.

Regarding the increase, if they can't actually grow sales and have made all the cuts they can possibly make, they have to do something. *shrug*

Now I look at it it is only on a limited [240 items?] selection of products.

Just your common or garden GW price rise then!

LunaHound wrote:@Mr. Burning. Im not sure how many people purchase directly from GW retail shops.

But assuming most of them order online on retail shops, then the local GW only serve as a shell for:
providing gaming location
serve as an advertisement /help center.

It would be interesting to find out what the split is but....

They can then close some shops, streamline the manufacturing processes, rationalize raw materiel purchasing, look at inventory savings or whatever and still not have to feel any effects of customers who are put off by their price increases. Profit still looks strong = GW investor win!

And they still make what they forecast by wholesaling their products.

gorgon wrote:Ironic, because IMO Porsche => overrated and overpriced.

Regarding the increase, if they can't actually grow sales and have made all the cuts they can possibly make, they have to do something. *shrug*

The ultimate irony:

Porsche might be giving them extra chance to get laid.

Toy soldier lowers the chance. alot.

When I get home (and if I don't have to work on finals), I'll check some of the newest prices with my old GW Catelogue. That thing was worth getting, if only to show how to-hell Bitz Order went and incite rage over price increases 100%+ for some models and products that have literally either been unchanged or reduced in content.

What got me most, more than Space Marines, was that Dark Eldar had eight models increase in price, with the Ravager coming up to a Landraider's current price. It has got "so bad" that GW needs to justify price rises in models they've pretty much ceased production for and had eating shelf space in warehouses the past decade.

Oh, and fun fact: The Nine Ringwraith Box? GW's about to make it almost 25% the cost of buying them individually. Because them coming with mounted counterparts so justifies why they need to have their cost quadrupled.

Jin wrote:Guess I'll be buying some Cold One Knights before they bump up the price.

For anyone interested, I made an alphabetically organized list of that in .csv format:

http://tinyurl.com/298atmx

How did you make that o_o

@Luna - Google Docs + Sort by Name. Took all of 2 mins.

LunaHound wrote:

gorgon wrote:Ironic, because IMO Porsche => overrated and overpriced.

Regarding the increase, if they can't actually grow sales and have made all the cuts they can possibly make, they have to do something. *shrug*

The ultimate irony:

Porsche might be giving them extra chance to get laid.

Toy soldier lowers the chance. alot.

Depends on the type of women.

Yet more proof why I haven't purchased a GW product in over 2 years....so glad I'm not supporting this continual asininity.

*Starts getting more stuff for SoB army*
PRICE INCREASE!!
*Looks at Maelstrom*

T_T

We've reorganised the list so it's now alphabetical...

They raise prices every year. Just get used to it :p

We all whine and complain but when we get our paychecks, we still buy our army men somehow, somewhere If you buy em off ebay, GW already made their profits on them. If you buy them from an online discount shop or even a full price FLGS, GW still makes the same profit off them.

Some of us may buy less in the long run but I think since we're all addicted, we'll buy just as much as always and just buy less of the other things in our life

Who needs pizza when ramen noodles are so much cheaper?

What if you had Ramen Noodle Pizza? .

Don't think I'll ever fall into the "never buying GW anymore" category, but I definitely do scale down my purchases with every passing year, in part due to the price increases.

NAVARRO wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

gorgon wrote:Ironic, because IMO Porsche => overrated and overpriced.

Regarding the increase, if they can't actually grow sales and have made all the cuts they can possibly make, they have to do something. *shrug*

The ultimate irony:

Porsche might be giving them extra chance to get laid.

Toy soldier lowers the chance. alot.

Depends on the type of women.

But when it comes to "luxury hobby" as mentioned earlier.
Someone that can afford porche as luxury hobby can certainly afford some toy soldiers.
But might not work vice versa.

*PS im just trying to brighten this grim news up

GW market research has found that there are still too many new customers getting into the hobby, spoiling the traditional downward curve in sales. To fix that, starter boxes and Codices/army books are going up considerably to raise the hurdle.

I am very concerned because it looks like models made of metal had the greatest jump in prices.

Well, I guess moar plastic models for the future.

I hope there's plastic SoB sometime in the near future, currently they're sitting at $69 for 10 >_>

I cry for GW T-T:

IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS £12.00 -> 15.00

Hey, look on the bright side - now you can order from Forgeworld and not feel like you're paying a premium for their resin kits... they'll be the same price as the regular GW plastics!

Azog wrote:Hey, look on the bright side - now you can order from Forgeworld and not feel like you're paying a premium for their resin kits... they'll be the same price as the regular GW plastics!

But thats like lying to ourselves lol . Is GW worth such lies! neverrrrrrrrrrr!

LunaHound wrote:I cry for GW T-T:

IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS £12.00 -> 15.00

This is really huge.
Thank emperor no change for chimera.....am I right?

Sir Motor wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I cry for GW T-T:

IMPERIAL GUARD CADIAN SHOCK TROOPS £12.00 -> 15.00

This is really huge.
Thank emperor no change for chimera.....am I right?

Yes especially after they split the box in half not that long ago. ( anyone remember how much the box of 20 costs? )


Emperor protects...
Lets all hold hands and sings song to praise the God Emperor

Grimstonefire wrote:Seems strange to me that they are increasing the prices on many WHFB books, even though they will all be out dated by 8th...
.

remember too they are banking on drawing in more people with a new 8th - they dont want to put up the prices AFTER they release the new system - they need them to go up before so new customers dont see the bump in the first place.

@Grimstonefire - they're also raising prices on items like High Elf White Lions which are rumored to be getting new Plastics. They're probably banking on newbie GW-store customers who aren't quite as "in the know" as us savvy internet users.

Jin wrote:What if you had Ramen Noodle Pizza? .

Don't think I'll ever fall into the "never buying GW anymore" category, but I definitely do scale down my purchases with every passing year, in part due to the price increases.

I'm currently in between the "buy now and then" and "nothing" purchases. I haven't made any actual GW purchases beyond necessities (new rule book, new codex, etcetera) since at least January, and within the past 18 months I think I've spent maybe $100 USD in the shop - I spend more getting my lunches Hobby Days (pretty much noon 'til closing gaming) than I do on average for a month of GW visits. They just aren't being worth my investment any more - For O&G I pretty much have so many points and models that they'd have to split O&G into "Orc" and "Goblin"-specific Army Books for me to need to make more purchases for them, and for 40K I've decided to say "Sod it" to full-sized armies (2000+ points) as if I'm going to lose 250-750 points from each list with a new codex, I might as well save money and run 500-1000pt lists for the next three editions instead of paying $50-100 in "boosters". So far, it's working pretty well: My bookshelf has started expanding rapidly, and I'm getting some good games / activities to do during the other six days of the week.

Anyways, something I just realized and felt like pointing out: For all their increases in price, they sure haven't got the money to spare in give-aways any more. When I started, there were weeks of special events and newbies could very potentially win some $100+ in GW shwag by the end. Now? Maybe if you're lucky, there's one day of events and they'll give you a blister that can't be used any more because it's eating up shelf space you did a nice job. Stuff like Chopping Mall's and Korridors of Khorne has been removed, special events are going the way of the dodo, staff is decreasing, hours are decreasing, bitz order was sacked, and yet through all of this they feel the need to justify 10-20%+ price increases. Where exactly is the money disappearing to? They planning to buy a small country or something?

EDIT: Old Shock Troops were 20 for $35USD, use to be $30 as of 2004. Now it appears they'll be something around $25-27.50-30 USD for 10.

Minsc wrote:Where exactly is the money disappearing to? They planning to buy a small country or something?

They do it because they can.

And sadly , we allow them to.