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Shuma wrote: Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument.

Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?

Shuma wrote:I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.

Oh, here we fething go... what are you over-compensating for? I also happen to have an IQ that is way above average, but this is the first time I've actually brought that up on this forum. Unlike you. Seriously, demonstrate it instead of screeching about it at every opportunity.

Albatross wrote:

Shuma wrote: Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument.

Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?

Except, once again, that's the difference.
The RPG destroys everything.
This leaves the room(and the building it's in) intact, while clearing the room of hostiles.

More importantly, we don't use RPGs; making the comparison logistically faulty.

Still, this weapon has cost too much, and does too little. Just like most of the FCS program.

Which is? What? That an RPG is cheaper and still blows things up? That's true. I'm not claiming anything other than that.

So does dynamite. Backpedaling doesn't actually make a bike go backwards.

Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?

It's the internet and my avatar and signature are five weird smiley faces with odd connotations to them. Do you really think I care about the tone of my voice in your head as you read my posts?

Oh, here we fething go... what are you over-compensating for?

Awful, horrible abandonment issues.

I also happen to have an IQ that is way above average, but this is the first time I've actually brought that up on this forum.

We all knew, it's ok to admit it. We aren't judging you.

Unlike you. Seriously, demonstrate it instead of screeching about it at every opportunity.

I'll try and control the volume of my your head voice. Do you have any idea how shrill and hysterical you come across as when you act like this by the way?

Guess we'll have to wait and see what the results are then. Assuming they don't have problems mass-producing it, training soldiers in it's repair and upkeep, or reliability issues i guess it may kill the bad guys slightly quicker.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Good point, all the stockpiling of weapons for a future war with the USSR you guys did worked out REEEEALLY well and wasn't a waste of money at all.
The US and it's allies will find themselves fighting this sort of war for the forseeable future, I reckon. That's just speculation on my part though...

The weapon is perfectly suited to and seemingly designed for counterinsurgency warfare. I don't understand what the point is you're making. Are you just pissed off about the military industrial complex or something? Your argument is constantly shifting.

What fething argument?! I'm not making a case for anything, just shooting the fething breeze! What are you talking about? The post you quoted was replying to Kanluwen in any case, and has been taken out of context, the original context of the statement being as a reply to this:

Kanluwen wrote:Except it's not meant to be used just against the Taliban...?
They don't do weapons development thinking "How can we fool the Taliban now!"

Holy gak, you make Dakka tedious sometimes...

What fething argument?! I'm not making a case for anything, just shooting the fething breeze! What are you talking about?

Hyperliteral interpretations of peoples posts when they are just being snide is how I bring home all that sweet genius fund money.

Not to mention he wears a tin foil helmet.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Before anyone asks:
It's Shuma who wears the tinfoil hat.

It's to protect his brains from the aliens that run the Tea Parties.

Are you sure it's not to protect the aliens that run tea parties from his brain?

J.Black wrote:Are you sure it's not to protect the aliens that run tea parties from his brain?

His gorgeous, gorgeous brain.....

/wistful

ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.

a genius level IQ like mine

your factually incorrect

lawl

Orkeosaurus wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.

a genius level IQ like mine

your factually incorrect

lawl

Uh-oh..this 3-way snide-off just became a Royal Rumble!

I have news for Shuma:

Albatross wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Glibness aside your factually incorrect and you're making an illogical and fallacy ridden argument. I'm not a keyboard general, you're just wrong enough for it to be obvious to anyone with a genius level IQ like mine.

a genius level IQ like mine

your factually incorrect

lawl

Uh-oh..this 3-way snide-off just became a Royal Rumble!

You can't possibly beat me and what you're all hearing is my sweet blowback.

What is the deal with that cat's hair?

And what do you mean by 'sweet blowback'?

Methinks blowback has a different meaning in the states...

It's the name of the hairstyle. Implies that it's blown back.

ShumaGorath wrote:It's the name of the hairstyle. Implies that it's blown back.

Ah. Over here a 'blowback' is something teenagers do when smoking pot.

Kanluwen wrote:
The RPG destroys everything.
This leaves the room(and the building it's in) intact, while clearing the room of hostiles.

i can dig that, less accidental casualties, less structural damage which america will have to pay to fix and more importantly another piece of tech to put the fear off (omnipotent being of your choice) into the enemy

I liked the technology better when it was nicely packaged up as the OICW. To be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head the comparative weights involved here, but it seems like carrying the XM-25 as well as an assault rifle, plus ammo would end up being weighty regardless. Plus, when using two weapons like this, (where one is more general purpose, say an M4 and one is specialized like the XM-25) transitioning in battle can be a major hindrance. I suppose the XM-25 coupl be "general purpose" but a 25mm slug (closest to a conventional bullet) is probably gonna dislocate some shoulders. I haven't seen any ballistics, so I'm not going to postulate as to whether or not any of the explosive or specialized rounds are suitable in all situations.

n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo. I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.

Commander Endova wrote:I liked the technology better when it was nicely packaged up as the OICW. To be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head the comparative weights involved here, but it seems like carrying the XM-25 as well as an assault rifle, plus ammo would end up being weighty regardless.

The XM29 was an assault rifle combined with the XM25. They would weigh roughly the same amount.

In fact, the separation of the XM25 from the XM8 allows for weight to be well disbursed.

Commander Endova wrote:
n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo.

The XM25 is a squad weapon, not a general use weapon.

Commander Endova wrote:
I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.

FCS is very expensive.

dogma wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I liked the technology better when it was nicely packaged up as the OICW. To be honest, I can't remember off the top of my head the comparative weights involved here, but it seems like carrying the XM-25 as well as an assault rifle, plus ammo would end up being weighty regardless.

The XM29 was an assault rifle combined with the XM25. They would weigh roughly the same amount.

In fact, the separation of the XM25 from the XM8 allows for weight to be well disbursed.

You're probably right. I'm just saying, personally, I'd rather have both in one package. I don't mind a heavy weapon, and would prefer to not have to transition between the two if I an avoid it.

Commander Endova wrote:
n any event, I can't see them staying with the XM-25 as a standalone for two long. After all, the 'Blooper' and the M16A1 were eventually merged into the ever popular M16/M203 combo.

The XM25 is a squad weapon, not a general use weapon.

Undoubtedly. I doubt they'd issue more then or two per squad. Then again, that's just about the frequency you'd expect an M203 to be issued at.

Commander Endova wrote:
I'm sure as the guidnace/airbursting technology becomes miniaturized, we'll see the guidance computer as a replacement for optics like various ACOGs or an M68 CCO, connected to an underslung 25mm launcher unit.

FCS is very expensive.
One fancy-schmancy new gun doesn't equate to the entirety of the proposed capabilities and equipment of the Future Combat System. Also, the FCS is pretty much on indefinite hold at this point, so I'd have to say that fielding the XM-25 or an OICW, for that matter, would be unrelated. But you have said that this is probably too expensive for what it does, and I'd have to say, in this war, you'd be right.