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Brofist, MGS. Being an honest working-class man is no excuse for serving a regime like Hitler's. I don't get how people can justify it at all. Six MILLION people were killed just for being different. That's roughly a quarter of Australia's population! It's abhorrent, and there was nothing to the Third Reich beyond bigotry and murder.

The people of Germany allowed Hitler to come to power. They were too racist and weak-willed to say 'NO' to facism.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Brofist, MGS. Being an honest working-class man is no excuse for serving a regime like Hitler's. I don't get how people can justify it at all. Six MILLION people were killed just for being different. That's roughly a quarter of Australia's population! It's abhorrent, and there was nothing to the Third Reich beyond bigotry and murder.

The people of Germany allowed Hitler to come to power. They were too racist and weak-willed to say 'NO' to facism.

Thats very easy to say with hindsight, the whole jew murdering wasn't in there from the start, and Hitler really did do some great things for his country before everything went ape gak bananas.

Soladrin wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Brofist, MGS. Being an honest working-class man is no excuse for serving a regime like Hitler's. I don't get how people can justify it at all. Six MILLION people were killed just for being different. That's roughly a quarter of Australia's population! It's abhorrent, and there was nothing to the Third Reich beyond bigotry and murder.

The people of Germany allowed Hitler to come to power. They were too racist and weak-willed to say 'NO' to facism.

Thats very easy to say with hindsight, the whole jew murdering wasn't in there from the start, and Hitler really did do some great things for his country before everything went ape gak bananas.

This is going OT on OT (yea i know usually thats post #3 of each thread), but I call revisionist BS on a massive scale. It was spelled out in mein Kampf and his speeches and that whole krystalnacht thing.

But yea, just collecting some bits is ok. I have a comrade who has a fascination with historical firearms. I myself would love to have a trapdoor carbine (US side) and Henry Repeater (Locatah side) from Little Bighorn.

My point is, it's very easy to say that you would'v acted differently under the circumstances with no clue as to how it really all went down back then(and no, you can't know that, you weren't there, nor was I).

Soladrin wrote:My point is, it's very easy to say that you would'v acted differently under the circumstances with no clue as to how it really all went down back then(and no, you can't know that, you weren't there, nor was I).

Again BS apologist nonsense. The Germans could have stopped their destiny all along the road. Don't go down this road-you'll lose.

I can see why people would think that, simply because they put anything Nazi into evil right away. But as a collector of things, and a huge history buff I can also see why people collect things, even when they were part of something terrible.

Personally when I see things, for example a coin or nazi plate, its just kindda strange seeing this seemingly everyday thing, a coin, being part of easily one of the worst genocides in history.

So as long as you dont endorse what they were meant for Id say your in the clear as far as not being the devil

just one thing how many people can tell difference between pre-war finnish airforce roundel and german Swastika?

Soladrin wrote:My point is, it's very easy to say that you would'v acted differently under the circumstances with no clue as to how it really all went down back then(and no, you can't know that, you weren't there, nor was I).

But you can read testimony and accounts from those who were there at the time. Hell, you can speak to people out on the street.

To get back on track, I must agree with the OP
The germans had the best looking army of all those involved.
Heck, they had camoflage in 1935 (only the italians were quicker (1929))

Devastator wrote:just one thing how many people can tell difference between pre-war finnish airforce roundel and german Swastika?

Finnish = Blue and white right?

Devastator wrote:just one thing how many people can tell difference between pre-war finnish airforce roundel and german Swastika?

roundel is blue, not black and sits squarely rather than on it's point as a nazi swastika.

Good enough?

egor71 wrote:To get back on track, I must agree with the OP
The germans had the best looking army of all those involved.
Heck, they had camoflage in 1935 (only the italians were quicker (1929))

Yes but the Italian kit included hot Italian girlfirends so italy AUTOWINS!
While you too can collect this special bit of kit, it is inadvisable unless single as Wife/Girlfriend will immediately give you a live action demonstration of the battle of Stalingrad with your skull representing the Alpini Division.

egor71 wrote:To get back on track, I must agree with the OP
The germans had the best looking army of all those involved.
Heck, they had camoflage in 1935 (only the italians were quicker (1929))

Sign me up for the stalingrad demo!

@Reds8n: waffen ss division kleines england
See, even brits look better in kraut gear

egor71 wrote:
See, even brits look better in kraut gear

Prince Harry and Ed Balls disagree.

It's quite easy to tell whether you have an y sympathy for the 'average wehrmacht man' or not. There are a lot of soldiers/ex-soldiers in this forum. Here's a question. If one of your superiors told you to round up people and gas them to death on an industrial scale, would you do it? If they told you to line up and shoot civilians standing in front of trenches you just made them dig, would you do it?

If the answer is no, then consider this. If they told you to look the other way whilst someone else did it, would you?

Frazzled wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Brofist, MGS. Being an honest working-class man is no excuse for serving a regime like Hitler's. I don't get how people can justify it at all. Six MILLION people were killed just for being different. That's roughly a quarter of Australia's population! It's abhorrent, and there was nothing to the Third Reich beyond bigotry and murder.

The people of Germany allowed Hitler to come to power. They were too racist and weak-willed to say 'NO' to facism.

Thats very easy to say with hindsight, the whole jew murdering wasn't in there from the start, and Hitler really did do some great things for his country before everything went ape gak bananas.

This is going OT on OT (yea i know usually thats post #3 of each thread), but I call revisionist BS on a massive scale. It was spelled out in mein Kampf and his speeches and that whole krystalnacht thing.

But yea, just collecting some bits is ok. I have a comrade who has a fascination with historical firearms. I myself would love to have a trapdoor carbine (US side) and Henry Repeater (Locatah side) from Little Bighorn.

Good luck with that Henry's Frazzled. I saw an original box of ammo for it from 1866 sell for about $180,000 at an auction. The rifles are even crazier.


As for MGS jumping down my throat. Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I endorsed what happened because of said militaries. I sympathize with the conscripted man who had no choice, it was go be a soldier or be shot. Or work at Dachau as a political prisoner. It's real easy to sit in judgement of something you or I will (hopefully) never have to endure.

This why my great-grandparents left Germany in January 1933.

As for Germany pre war, there were 38 assassination attempts on Hitler. Too bad none were successful.

And the six million figure completely forgets all the other six million "undesirables" that were killed or worked to death. The Holocaust was a true black mark on human history, along with most of what the Japanese did to their occupied lands.

I feel that collecting this stuff is akin to Roman stuff. They razed a city and salted the earth to make sure nothing grew back afterwards. They butchered people for their beliefs, conquered a great swathe and effectively ruled the world.

Well, do you dress up in a nazi uniform and march around? screaming "death to the jews" or "Heil hitler"??

Then your not evil or at least not evil in society's views. Then its more of a "your a historian". But some screwball will always come along and see your collectibles and accuse you of being a nazi or a communist or etc.

I'll vote no.

Stormrider wrote:

I feel that collecting this stuff is akin to Roman stuff. They razed a city and salted the earth to make sure nothing grew back afterwards. They butchered people for their beliefs, conquered a great swathe and effectively ruled the world.

Agreed collector-no issue here. Weirdo, then issue. This doesn't sound like that.

Ayah a genuine Henry repeater is a rare bird.

Nothing wrong with it. My grandfather was in a concentration camp (first for being a communist and later they found out he was Jewish too...) and I collect alot of Wehrmacht and FJ things (I even reenact fallschirmjäger).

As Stormrider says the Heer (Army) wasn't composed of nazis, quite the opposite. The reason the SS was created was because you were not allowed to be tied to a political party as a soldier in the Heer. Of course there were still donkey-caves and sadists in the army, but most were just German men and women who defended their home country. I have looked through MANY diaries of German soldiers of the Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and Wehrmacht and most of them contain slight points towards them not being happy with the Nazi Party and Hitler.

So by all means, collect them. I am at the moment wearing my FJ-helmet.

Personally i love how Nazi paraphernalia look , they are artistically beautiful.

Stormrider wrote:Hello Everyone, I am a purveyor of many fine hobbies. 40K, collectible Firearms, and lots of swag from WWII. Although, most of what I collect is NSDAP items, I do own many British, American, Italian, Japanese, French and Soviet items as well.

Overall, I think I have about 80 German Decorations, along with three hats, several armbands, some fieldgear, a helmet and lots of other "stuff"

What do you all think?

I, in no way endorse the ideology of the NSDAP or any other NS asscoiation. Their ideology is utterly abhorrent.

I really want to make a Jew joke.

Like others who have posted before, I think it is actually kind of cool that you have those items because they are a part of history. A history that people need to be reminded of more often. Especially when they keep going on about the so-called "good old days". World War II doesn't get all the hours on the history channel for nothing. People are absolutely fascinated by it.

Frazzled wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

I feel that collecting this stuff is akin to Roman stuff. They razed a city and salted the earth to make sure nothing grew back afterwards. They butchered people for their beliefs, conquered a great swathe and effectively ruled the world.

Agreed collector-no issue here. Weirdo, then issue. This doesn't sound like that.

Ayah a genuine Henry repeater is a rare bird.

I saw an original Iron Frame in a museum in Wyoming, I was about 2 feet from it. Also two of the " One of one thousand" production. Quite a bit of money in one display cabinet.


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loranafaeriequeen wrote:Like others who have posted before, I think it is actually kind of cool that you have those items because they are a part of history. A history that people need to be reminded of more often. Especially when they keep going on about the so-called "good old days". World War II doesn't get all the hours on the history channel for nothing. People are absolutely fascinated by it.

What I like about it is that it's tangible history, not just words in a book or images on a screen.

Stormrider wrote:

What I like about it is that it's tangible history, not just words in a book or images on a screen.

It is good to have collections like this, to remember what they mean.

Stormrider wrote:As for MGS jumping down my throat. Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said I endorsed what happened because of said militaries. I sympathize with the conscripted man who had no choice, it was go be a soldier or be shot. Or work at Dachau as a political prisoner. It's real easy to sit in judgement of something you or I will (hopefully) never have to endure.

Woah there Samwise...
You put up a fething poll on this site to gage opinion, don't go getting your panties in a wad cos someone questioned you or was critical, I haven't openly attacked you or your reasons, merely given my opinion and concerns. You can lose that passive aggressive gak right now pal. If you want a more comfortable answer, go to 'O hai, I haz Nazi stuffs.com's forum and ask the same question.

It is easy to sit in judgement of something that we won't have to endure, now we have a far more open media (in comparison) and the ability to comprehend the scale of what occurred.

It is even easier to collect Nazi memorabilia and talk about the 'good bits about the 3rd Reich' and how 'Hitler really loved his dog', when you're not having your country invaded by him and his cohorts, or having your parents and siblings tortured and gassed and incinerated. It's easy to talk about the great and wonderful things the German military machine were able to accomplish when those things aren't being directly loosed in a concerted effort to kill you.

Your comparison is hypocritical.

Stormrider wrote:
I feel that collecting this stuff is akin to Roman stuff. They razed a city and salted the earth to make sure nothing grew back afterwards. They butchered people for their beliefs, conquered a great swathe and effectively ruled the world.

Quite right, with the minor inconvenience that what the Nazi's did was in living memory, not 2 thousand years ago. And the romans tended to assimilate cultures, not enact genocide. When they sowed salt at Carthage, it was to render the immediate lands around the city infertile so a threatening seaport could not be built there again, not seal civilians by the million into rooms and flood them with gas or perform extreme medical experiments on children.

MGS, don't have a coronary. I didn't say you couldn't be critical of me, just don't misrepresent what I say. I never expected people to accept what I collect as normal either, you're the only one that's having some emotional problem with it. Calm down.

I did have relatives involved too, my great grandfather on my dad's side was a Major in the OSS. He debriefed bomber crews after they came back from their bombing runs.

I also visited the Holocaust museum in Washington DC several years ago, a very sad but important place.

Ketara wrote:It's quite easy to tell whether you have an y sympathy for the 'average wehrmacht man' or not. There are a lot of soldiers/ex-soldiers in this forum. Here's a question. If one of your superiors told you to round up people and gas them to death on an industrial scale, would you do it? If they told you to line up and shoot civilians standing in front of trenches you just made them dig, would you do it?

If the answer is no, then consider this. If they told you to look the other way whilst someone else did it, would you?

That point is kind of moot.

The "average Wehrmacht man" wasn't involved with the death camps or the atrocities in general. They were performed by the Waffen-SS and its military units, which were pretty exclusively made up of die-hard Nazi party fanatics.

Stormrider wrote:I never expected people to accept what I collect as normal either, .

... you're on a forum mainly based about small plastic and metal soldiers representing various archetypes, characters and species. Fret not in this regard.