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BlueDagger wrote:Not really seeing where the logic is coming from that firing through 2" of area terrain wouldn't grant a cover save.

Firing through 2" of area terrain does grant a cover save... firing over 2" of area terrain doesn't.

In order to be considered as passing through the terrain, the firer's LOS has to pass between two physical elements of the terrain.


A model 3" inside area terrain, firing at an enemy with his LOS passing between two trees is firing through the area terrain. As he is more than 2" in, the target gets a cover save.
A model 3" inside area terrain with no vertical elements firing at an enemy outside the terrain is firing over the terrain. The target in this case does not get a cover save, as the shot is not passing through the area terrain.

The paragraph for the 2" portion is directly after mentioning that if your firing between two features in the terrain you grant cover.

Exactly. Ordinarily, for a model to be in cover it has to be partially obscured. Area Terrain adds in a rule whereby a target is in cover if the firer's LOS passes between two elements of the terrain, or if the target is in area terrain.

So, a model can be in cover from area terrain if it is inside area terrain, if the area terrain partially obscures it, or if the firer's LOS passes through the terrain.
A model inside the terrain firing through less than 2" of it gets to ignore the cover save conveyed by the terrain.

That's all there is to it. The 2" rule doesn't add a cover save for being more than 2" into the terrain. It simply takes the cover save away if the model is less than 2" in. It's being in the terrain, being obscured by the terrain, or having LOS pass through the terrain that grants cover.

It would be redundant and pointless to once again mention that if your firing through 2 or more features but are more then 2" away in the same terrain your grant cover. If they meant that paragraph to remove cover if under 2" in the same piece of area terrain they probably would have mentioned something somewhere about the fact that you talking about firing at an enemy model in the same piece of terrain, since that would be the only difference from the paragraph directly above.

Sorry, but this is not what the discussion is about.

It seems pretty clear as day that firing over (through) area terrain while being more then 2" from the border of the area terrain grants a cover save to the target.

The 3rd bullet point on page 22 makes it very clear that firing over the terrain and firing through the terrain are two different things.

Just to add, that paragraph has fluff written into it talking about having to position themselves with "good fields of vision". When they are talking about "may fire thorugh" they are talking about the fact that area terrain is a representation of the area terrain being a 3D environment that they are tucked in for safety. IE If they are hiding in tall grass they will be firing through the tall grass, but if they fire through too much there is a chance they will accidentally hit a log or rock hidden in the grass aka grant a cover save.

BlueDagger wrote:Just to add, that paragraph has fluff written into it talking about having to position themselves with "good fields of vision". When they are talking about "may fire thorugh" they are talking about the fact that area terrain is a representation of the area terrain being a 3D environment that they are tucked in for safety. IE If they are hiding in tall grass they will be firing through the tall grass, but if they fire through too much there is a chance they will accidentally hit a log or rock hidden in the grass aka grant a cover save.

Except that it doesn't say that. It never says that simply firing in area terrain grants a save.

If we were fighting on an ocean and there was an island. Firing across the island grants a cover save.
Firing into/onto the island grants a cover save.
But if you're fighting on the island we need to work out if units are in cover with respect to the piece of area terrain.
So if they are within 2" no save, but if there >2" and there's a palm tree on the island there might be a save to be had - work it out.

Simple enough without me mucking anything up yet?

ChrisCP wrote:If we were fighting on an ocean and there was an island. Firing across the island grants a cover save.

Only if you're firing through the trees. Or the island is physically in the way.

Quite right sorry - should have made it clear that this island did indeed confer (one or two ars?) a cover save to begin with