Arlen Specter is out...who is next?

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**sexiest_hero**

Crist is a good governor, and most polls have him winning a 3 way race. Florida was based on the housing market, He did what he had too to save his state. He worked with the Democrats one time and the gay accusations started.

**JEB_Stuart**

Fateweaver wrote:If the diplomacy is anti-American it shouldn't exist.

Clapping and approving the words spoken by a foreign leader in mockery of any part of the United States is borderline anti-American.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism but to show agreement by clapping for the guy is not something a President of the US should do. Obama should have said something along the lines of "Well, Mr. President. As much as I want to agree with you I have to politely point out that your immigration law is not perfect. I feel we need to work together to curb the problem, not point fingers and lay blame one who's fault it is that the drug cartels on your side of the line are out of control and that the millions of illegals over on this side of the line are out of control.

There is diplomacy and there is defending your country. There would have been tactful ways for Obama to redirect blame away from AZ but he chose not to because he himself is against AZ doing what HIS administration should be doing. He wants to bring change to the US. He can start by enforcing a Federal law last enacted seriously in the 20's.

This may or may not be your most reasoned post ever....

**Fateweaver**

I have my moments Jeb.

Thanks for the approval.

**sebster**

Grignard wrote:What magic bullet theory? That bullet behaved exactly how a jacketed military bullet should. There wasn't anything magic about it at all. Most people who criticize that don't really know anything about how bullets behave.

The bullet entered and exited two people, twice each. It travelled through 15 inches of flesh. At the end of this the bullet was almost entirely intact. The idea was hotly contested among the Warren commission, who ultimately found it to be unlikely, but not enough to warrant rejection of the single shooter theory.

The flight path of the bullet is very, very unlikely. If one is of the impression that any possible unexplained event means there must be a conspiracy, then one can spend years of their life arguing over the bullet. The rest of us can accept that it may not be possible to explain the flight path of a bullet and get on with our lives.

I expect that's what Specter did, and it was his idea.

**Maelstrom808**

Actually, it was explained pretty clearly not too long ago. The seats in the limo were offset as well as not being at the same height. This in combination with the positon of both men at the moment lines up the shot from Oswald and through both men perfectly. Trials through ballistic gel mockups at the same angles and ranges reproduced the same wounds and the rounds fired ended up with little to no deformation.

**Grignard**

Maelstrom808 wrote:Actually, it was explained pretty clearly not too long ago. The seats in the limo were offset as well as not being at the same height. This in combination with the positon of both men at the moment lines up the shot from Oswald and through both men perfectly. Trials through ballistic gel mockups at the same angles and ranges reproduced the same wounds and the rounds fired ended up with little to no deformation.

Yes, not to get OT, but the bullet was also not "pristine". The bullet was flattened and missing lead from the base of the bullet. While hitting two people and not passing through bone is an unlikely shot, it certainly is quite possible, and a jacketed bullet is not going to deform passing through muscle. Oswald didn't put much thought into what ammunition he was using.

**gorgon**

Grignard wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Grignard wrote:I was really disappointed. It isn't my state, but Arlen Specter is one of the few people I've ever found, political professional or not, who supports most of what I would like to see happen. I think he is one of the few people up there who is actually sane and votes how he believes, regardless of what the party he's in says.

I'd actually like to see him run for president.

Getting this back on topic and away from get another tiresome and inane OBAMA BAD campaign led by the usual suspects, I'm kinda mixed on Specter. On one hand, he's a moderate. I am too. On the other hand, he's kind of a primary example of a career Congressman. I think his party switch was less about a principled stand than what was (thought to be) best for his career longevity.

He's done a lot for PA, but we're talking about a guy who came up with the magic bullet theory after Kennedy's assassination. I think it's unfortunate that we're seeing some purging of moderates on the Dem side just like what's happened with the GOP over the last 10-15 years. But he's been there a ridiculously long time, and it's past time for some new blood.

What magic bullet theory? That bullet behaved exactly how a jacketed military bullet should. There wasn't anything magic about it at all. Most people who criticize that don't really know anything about how bullets behave.

*facepalm*

The POINT is that he's been in the friggin' Congress since Kennedy was assassinated. Which more amazing than any possible bullet flight path. J.H.C., I'm not arguing ballistics here...just referencing his contribution to the Warren Commission by its colloquial name.

**Grignard**

gorgon wrote:
Grignard wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Grignard wrote:I was really disappointed. It isn't my state, but Arlen Specter is one of the few people I've ever found, political professional or not, who supports most of what I would like to see happen. I think he is one of the few people up there who is actually sane and votes how he believes, regardless of what the party he's in says.

I'd actually like to see him run for president.

Getting this back on topic and away from get another tiresome and inane OBAMA BAD campaign led by the usual suspects, I'm kinda mixed on Specter. On one hand, he's a moderate. I am too. On the other hand, he's kind of a primary example of a career Congressman. I think his party switch was less about a principled stand than what was (thought to be) best for his career longevity.

He's done a lot for PA, but we're talking about a guy who came up with the magic bullet theory after Kennedy's assassination. I think it's unfortunate that we're seeing some purging of moderates on the Dem side just like what's happened with the GOP over the last 10-15 years. But he's been there a ridiculously long time, and it's past time for some new blood.

What magic bullet theory? That bullet behaved exactly how a jacketed military bullet should. There wasn't anything magic about it at all. Most people who criticize that don't really know anything about how bullets behave.

*facepalm*

The POINT is that he's been in the friggin' Congress since Kennedy was assassinated. Which more amazing than any possible bullet flight path. J.H.C., I'm not arguing ballistics here...just referencing his contribution to the Warren Commission by its colloquial name.

Why is the length of someone's tenure alone a reason for electing or not electing someone? At this point, the way this country is going in politics, I'd want anyone with a centrist position, regardless of how long they've been in politics. Frankly I think the ability to switch parties is a good thing. It means you are a centrist.