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I would say don't sell the WHFB stuff - you aren't getting anywhere near enough return for the time and money put in. Play a few games at the store (you should be given at least a few days to look at the Rulebook before they start a "Buy it or don't look at it" schtick) and see if you can do anything with it / which rumors are true and false. If most are true, for me, I'll just be packing up my WHFB for another edition / finding people who still play 7th or earlier, and then go back to WotR and 40K, maybe a little Mordheim now and then when I want to play WHFB models.

The one thing I dont like is the percentage rules for army comp. This totally screws over my DE as I only have 600 points worth of troop choices. Damn it just when I thought I was done buying for my DE they hit me in the face and say "buy more or dont play 3000 points games" My WE dont suffer from this problem as they cost much more in points and I have about 800 points worth of troop. Neither do my empire as I have 80 handguners, 60 spearmen, 20 swordsmen, 30 knights, 20 crossbowmen. Not too bad really as they are probaly going to getting alot more table time when 8th ed hits shelves.

nieto666 wrote:The one thing I dont like is the percentage rules for army comp. This totally screws over my DE as I only have 600 points worth of troop choices. Damn it just when I thought I was done buying for my DE they hit me in the face and say "buy more or dont play 3000 points games" My WE dont suffer from this problem as they cost much more in points and I have about 800 points worth of troop. Neither do my empire as I have 80 handguners, 60 spearmen, 20 swordsmen, 30 knights, 20 crossbowmen. Not too bad really as they are probaly going to getting alot more table time when 8th ed hits shelves.

its to directly prevent stuff like that... same in 40k... people used to take horrible troop or core choices and instead focus on their big scary units

now you actually have to play a real WAR GAME ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh scary...

Generalian wrote:

nieto666 wrote:The one thing I dont like is the percentage rules for army comp. This totally screws over my DE as I only have 600 points worth of troop choices. Damn it just when I thought I was done buying for my DE they hit me in the face and say "buy more or dont play 3000 points games" My WE dont suffer from this problem as they cost much more in points and I have about 800 points worth of troop. Neither do my empire as I have 80 handguners, 60 spearmen, 20 swordsmen, 30 knights, 20 crossbowmen. Not too bad really as they are probaly going to getting alot more table time when 8th ed hits shelves.

its to directly prevent stuff like that... same in 40k... people used to take horrible troop or core choices and instead focus on their big scary units

now you actually have to play a real WAR GAME ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh scary...

Sorry I'd have to disagree with you. Everything "in" my list's focused on balance. Four units of repeating crossbowmen is all that I needed to go with four repeater bolt throwers for massive amounts of fire power. As for my close combat units they were sledge hammers, as they they had to be to make up for their point costs. I'd run the full amount of charcters to amplify their deadliness, almost always only concentrating on magic defense with only two lvl one scroll cadies. The list worked well in Ard Boyz because I didn't throw eveerything into magic, actually did quite the opposite. I've already ordered two more boxes of DE warriors which will all be spearmen, as they actually seem like they will be much more deadlier.

Sorry to disappoint but the only "real war games" I have ever played was while serving in the Army. Oh and yes it was scary as hell.

Regarding the army specific spell lores: Anyone think that the Army FAQs coming out with the new edition will have a new spell table?

ZF-

nieto666 wrote:

Generalian wrote:

nieto666 wrote:The one thing I dont like is the percentage rules for army comp. This totally screws over my DE as I only have 600 points worth of troop choices. Damn it just when I thought I was done buying for my DE they hit me in the face and say "buy more or dont play 3000 points games" My WE dont suffer from this problem as they cost much more in points and I have about 800 points worth of troop. Neither do my empire as I have 80 handguners, 60 spearmen, 20 swordsmen, 30 knights, 20 crossbowmen. Not too bad really as they are probaly going to getting alot more table time when 8th ed hits shelves.

its to directly prevent stuff like that... same in 40k... people used to take horrible troop or core choices and instead focus on their big scary units

now you actually have to play a real WAR GAME ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh scary...

Sorry I'd have to disagree with you. Everything "in" my list's focused on balance. Four units of repeating crossbowmen is all that I needed to go with four repeater bolt throwers for massive amounts of fire power. As for my close combat units they were sledge hammers, as they they had to be to make up for their point costs. I'd run the full amount of charcters to amplify their deadliness, almost always only concentrating on magic defense with only two lvl one scroll cadies. The list worked well in Ard Boyz because I didn't throw eveerything into magic, actually did quite the opposite. I've already ordered two more boxes of DE warriors which will all be spearmen, as they actually seem like they will be much more deadlier.

Sorry to disappoint but the only "real war games" I have ever played was while serving in the Army. Oh and yes it was scary as hell.

no offense taken. BTW happy memorial day

Thanks by the way, anyways back on topic. It kinda reminds me of WoTR at least in movement, chargeing and the bucket loads of dice that are going to be rolled. It should be interesting as I now can run that unwieldy 50 spearmen unit I've only ever dreamed of.

Generalian wrote:
25% maximum point cost Lords and Heroes
25% minimum point cost Core
25% maximum point cost Rares
25% maximum point costs Specials

Ok sorry, I know this has already been discussed but by reading what has been discussed I still dont get it. Is it:

Option 1:
25% maximum point cost of Lords and Heroes Combined (Characters)
25% minimum point cost of Core
25% maximum point costs Specials
25% maximum point cost Rares

Where in a 2000 pt game my total cost of Characters cannot be more than 500

OR

Option 2:

25% maximum point cost of Lords
25% maximum point cost of Heroes
25% minimum point cost of Core
25% maximum point costs Specials
25% maximum point cost Rares

Where in a 2000 pt game my total cost of lord(s) can be up to 500 and my cost of heroes can be up to 500 (Meaning a total of 1000 points for characters)

@zeekill

25% max Lords
25% max Heroes
25% MIN Core
50% max Special
25% max rare

So option 2

Jin wrote:@zeekill

25% max Lords
25% max Heroes
25% MIN Core
50% max Special
25% max rare

So option 2

I AM SOOOOOOO HAPPY THANKS!!!!!

Ah Teclis with he backup of 5 other mages, sound good anyone? If only I could make the mages a unit like pink horrors.

One more thing. The attacks of the second rank, do the models get all their attacks or just 1? How about spears? What if the unit has frenzy or the horde rule? All I know for sure is that step up is only 1 attack.

zeekill wrote:One more thing. The attacks of the second rank, do the models get all their attacks or just 1? How about spears? What if the unit has frenzy or the horde rule? All I know for sure is that step up is only 1 attack.

im not exactly sure on this one, all i know is that the rules above are confirmed and you might have to read the actaul book

zeekill wrote:One more thing. The attacks of the second rank, do the models get all their attacks or just 1? How about spears? What if the unit has frenzy or the horde rule? All I know for sure is that step up is only 1 attack.

They only get one attack and as far as spears they can fight in three ranks, Sarus warriors are about to get a whole lot nastier. I think there might be something special for HE spearmenr just gonna have to wait and see.

nieto666 wrote:

zeekill wrote:One more thing. The attacks of the second rank, do the models get all their attacks or just 1? How about spears? What if the unit has frenzy or the horde rule? All I know for sure is that step up is only 1 attack.

They only get one attack and as far as spears they can fight in three ranks, Sarus warriors are about to get a whole lot nastier. I think there might be something special for HE spearmenr just gonna have to wait and see.

their is actually! they can fight in 4 ranks

Well, the current rules for HE Spearelves just say that you can fight with one more rank than normal, so technically nothing changes in that regard, but yes, High Elves still have special spear training.

I hope their terminoloy is inclusive. I don't want a rules lawyer telling me my WoC Sorcerers can't cast because they are not Wizards.

Phanatik wrote:I hope their terminoloy is inclusive. I don't want a rules lawyer telling me my WoC Sorcerers can't cast because they are not Wizards.

If this would happen it would probaly get snuffed out fairly quickly. Now HE might actually give my DE a really hard time, can't wait for 8th ed

meh

Sound good to me=)

Shouldn't all of this be discussed in the 8th edition rulebook roundup thread in news and rumors? All of what has been posted is IN that thread.

So the Horde rules works at 10+ for 25 and 20mm bases and 6+ for 40mm, is it said anywhere what would be the case for cavalry or chariot? I'm guessing Chariots follow the same as the 40mm but I haven't seen anything involving cavalry. Thanks for the help.

In regards to the GW in two ranks... Any news on something similar for halberds?

Kiwidru wrote:In regards to the GW in two ranks... Any news on something similar for halberds?

Run over to you FLGS and check it out for yourself. They should have their store copies TODAY, I know both of mine do and if I had the time to go out that way well Id be there all night.

nieto666 wrote:

Kiwidru wrote:In regards to the GW in two ranks... Any news on something similar for halberds?

Run over to you FLGS and check it out for yourself. They should have their store copies TODAY, I know both of mine do and if I had the time to go out that way well Id be there all night.

I wanted to go but I couldn't afford to drive the 64 mile round trip.

Well at least im not alone in the driveing long distances to go gameing

Kiwidru wrote:In regards to the GW in two ranks... Any news on something similar for halberds?

All units fight in 2 ranks now.

Jin wrote:@zeekill

25% max Lords
25% max Heroes
25% MIN Core
50% max Special
25% max rare

Can anyone expand on this? Can I take a Lord in a 1000 point game? Do Magical BSB's count as part of the hero/lords point total?

Lyracian wrote:

Jin wrote:@zeekill

25% max Lords
25% max Heroes
25% MIN Core
50% max Special
25% max rare

Can anyone expand on this? Can I take a Lord in a 1000 point game? Do Magical BSB's count as part of the hero/lords point total?

You could take a Lord in a 1000 point game. If your Lord choice is cheap enough (like some armies'), you can take one in 500 points.

And yes BSBs do count towards your total as heroes.

Lyracian, you have a separate hero and lord total. So you could take a lord AND a bsb in a 1k point game, especially if you are O&G. Probably more characters too