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ph34r wrote:IF do plenty of siege breaking as well. They kinda got pushed into the general "dealing with fortifications" role when the vastly superior Iron Warriors went traitor. Vindicators would fit.

Yeah, the iron warriors just seem slightly better than the fists...At breaking stuff

Anyway, I keep thinking that thunderfire cannons would be good (fluff wise). Drop pods seem okay too. Vindicators just seem to fit them like a glove though.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

ph34r wrote:IF do plenty of siege breaking as well. They kinda got pushed into the general "dealing with fortifications" role when the vastly superior Iron Warriors went traitor. Vindicators would fit.

Yeah, the iron warriors just seem slightly better than the fists...At breaking stuff

Anyway, I keep thinking that thunderfire cannons would be good (fluff wise). Drop pods seem okay too. Vindicators just seem to fit them like a glove though.

Probably dosnt hurt much that the Vindicator has a hard hitting pie plate does it ? Lol
I think its likely a successful list man and any heavy choice is going to be a real boon whatever it will end up being.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:
One of two reasons i dont like termies. They are slugs, and are load hogs in my Rhinos.

Umm... I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but your not allowed to put termies inside of rhinos or razorbacks.

Page 102, last line under terminator armor of the SM codex. Termies only fit in Land Raiders, and they still take up 2 transport slots. But yeah I agree they are load hogs.

Freelancer48 wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:
One of two reasons i dont like termies. They are slugs, and are load hogs in my Rhinos.

Umm... I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but your not allowed to put termies inside of rhinos or razorbacks.

Page 102, last line under terminator armor of the SM codex. Termies only fit in Land Raiders, and they still take up 2 transport slots. But yeah I agree they are load hogs.

having only played one game of marines 5th edition, you might see where id make that mistake. And one more reason i dont like termies.
Add to that i have no idea where my codex is since i moved. Please forgive me. In 4th they could load onto Rhinos if they were the Tactical Unit Sgt.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:

Freelancer48 wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:im fresh out of the Soul drinkers novels, and my idea of siege is a little jaded by my late reading habits, in 40K a siege is more often than not a ship to ship action. If your thinking of a fortified position with static defenses like in a classical siege setting the IG are likely who will be called in to grind the walls down. Marines will usually only be called in for special siege situations like ship to ship siege actions.
The city fighting is IG fare, and not likely to involve Marines in most cases. Thats my take on 40K military thinking.

Not neccessarily true. IG are the "We've got time and I don't want to waste my coolio dudes" siege guys and the Space Marines are the "HOLY ! This absolutely, 100%, needs to get taken over night or we're done for" kind of siege army. So for smaller games (read non-Apocalypse) SM are fine siege dudes fluff wise.

Like I said not likely. and Mostly the IG will be deployed. in either case its fighting with bolters blazing.

This isn't "pull-random-false-facts-out-of-our-gak-hole-hammer". Any scenario where the IG can be deployed, the imperial fists can too. Just tell any passer-by fluff nazi, they have an imperial artifact, or a STC, or some such nonsense.

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As for the latest imperial fist list, I approve, though as mentioned. Assault cannons are generally greater than lascannon plasma... since you are more efficient against most targets.

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Jay-Man Mcdougall's list of fluffy units make my imperial fist side want to ram my head onto the sharp end of a pencil.

Alot of those units just don't seem to click.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:

Freelancer48 wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:im fresh out of the Soul drinkers novels, and my idea of siege is a little jaded by my late reading habits, in 40K a siege is more often than not a ship to ship action. If your thinking of a fortified position with static defenses like in a classical siege setting the IG are likely who will be called in to grind the walls down. Marines will usually only be called in for special siege situations like ship to ship siege actions.
The city fighting is IG fare, and not likely to involve Marines in most cases. Thats my take on 40K military thinking.

Not neccessarily true. IG are the "We've got time and I don't want to waste my coolio dudes" siege guys and the Space Marines are the "HOLY ! This absolutely, 100%, needs to get taken over night or we're done for" kind of siege army. So for smaller games (read non-Apocalypse) SM are fine siege dudes fluff wise.

Like I said not likely. and Mostly the IG will be deployed. in either case its fighting with bolters blazing.

This isn't "pull-random-false-facts-out-of-our-gak-hole-hammer". Any scenario where the IG can be deployed, the imperial fists can too. Just tell any passer-by fluff nazi, they have an imperial artifact, or a STC, or some such nonsense.

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As for the latest imperial fist list, I approve, though as mentioned. Assault cannons are generally greater than lascannon plasma... since you are more efficient against most targets.

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Jay-Man Mcdougall's list of fluffy units make my imperial fist side want to ram my head onto the sharp end of a pencil.

Alot of those units just don't seem to click.

Me too i dont like Termies. I recently finished ready reading "Hell forged " a Soul Drinkers novel, two things about that, the Soul Drinkers are a founding of the Imperial Fists and are very similar to the Fist. In that book they fight the Fists at the end. And the list i suggested is pretty much what landed on Sarpedeon and shield slammed him with.
He asked for a fluffy list. It seemed like a good idea to me. Sorry it makes you want to perform brain surgury with a pencil.

Commissar Molotov wrote:

Deuce11 wrote:I am in the mood to build a very visually impressive and clean looking SM army. I've seen some beautiful Imperial Fist armies on Dakka and thought that it might fit the bill.

Just to warn you - painting yellow nicely is a royal pain in the ass...

You've really got to thin it down and do multiple coats, or it ends up looking streaky and blotchy. Makes painting Imperial Fists a VERY time-consuming process.

If you use Iyaden Yellow and then your yellow then you should be fine just make sure you layer it.

What is the color scheme exactly for IF?

Armor= Yellow (Obviously)
Trim= Red or Black?
Chest Plate Detail= Red or White?
Veteran Status= Red Helmet with White Stripe
Insignias= Black?

I am doing mine the following:

All of this over a WHITE primer:

Armor: Iyanden Darkson, Ogre flesh wash, 2:1 ID/Bleached bone, 1:1 ID/BB, 1:2 ID/BB pure bleached bone

Trim: Black (5th battle company)

Chest plate: Red

Vet: White helms, only veteran sgts have red helms with white stripe

Insignias: Black

The main things the fists do is:
A) Stand Their Ground
B) push the enemy back
C) apply overwhelming firepower.

Grabbing as many big templates and high strength weaponry as possible is a good start. Taking Lysander makes your entire army a tar-pit for the enemy. Give them power fists and watch your fists turn even the most vicious of assaults against the enemy.

Finally, assault terminators for extra-high strength goodness that mulches anything they touch.

EDIT: My paint scheme for my Fists includes using white primer, Army Painter's Demonic Yellow spray, devlan mud, blood and gore red, mithril silver, and grey.

Works well, makes them look gritty, like they have been doing lots of fighting.