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What squad is the chaplain going with mate? If pedro is within range of the sternguard they'll get 4 attacks on the charge, 2 in profile +1 for charge +1 for pedro. That will be 25 attacks plus pedros. However I wouldn't throw sternguard into assault, though something interesting is throwing in a chaplain which will also get 4 attacks on the charge but give the unit re-rolls! Nasty!

Consider that lightning claw terminators get 5 attacks on the charge thanks to pedro - that's 2 in the profile +1 for paired claws +1 for charge +1 for pedro. Through in a chaplain and you re-roll to hit and thanks to the claws you re-roll to wound. Now that's some serious food for thought, a lot better than sternguard eh?

Pedro and chaplain are going with the two VANGUARD units.




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not using terminators as they need land raider or deep strike to get around

You mean pedro in one and the chaplain in the other or both HQs in one unit.

I know mate; just a thought about the terminators

Yes, i'm taking 2 5 man vanguard units. One led by pedro, one by chaplain.

And I'm taking every model I have tonight so I can mix and match if necessary, but I like my vanguard

Ok, if you keep pedro within 6" at least one unit will benefit from the chaplains re-rolls while both get +1 attacks.

I thought chaplains only gave litugies of battle to unit they are attached to.....

Yes they do. That's what I said, at LEAST one unit will benefit from the chaplains re-rolls, though both units if within 6" of pedro will get +1 attacks.

haha so if I put them together as an Assault line they'll get a +1 extra attack AND rerolled rolls to hit.

one word for that:

OUCH

No. Only the unit with the chaplain attached will get re-rolls, which is what I said Though you make sure the unit with the chaplain is within 6" of pedro and they get +1 attacks and then rerolls from the chaplain too

so just to recap:

PEDRO 175
Chaplain 110

Sternguard x 2
Lascannon & ML
x 7 Plasma Gun
x 7 M M

590

Scout Squad x2
M L

170

VANGUARD VET SQUAD
Sergeant: LC x 2
x 3 LC
Rhino

220

VANGUARD VET SQUAD
Sergeant: LC x 2
x 1 LC
x 1 TH
Rhino

220


Sternguard can take out quite a lot with their combi-plasma/ melta. Vanguard will be a nasty shock to opponent's infantry.

And I'm going to give scouts sniper rifles to take out the enemy hiding at the back of the board with their heavy weapons.

NO heavy weaps on the sternguard! Combi weapons only! They should haev rhino.

Vanguard should have packs and deep strike mate.

packs are WAY too expensive.

let me try this army out and i'll say how it went.

yeah if you insist on taking the waste of pts that are vanguard take them mercers way, with jump packs. I wouldn't put heavy weapons on the sternguard either, but do keep meltaguns and plasma guns with them. I worked out a 1500 list of sternguard which i think is pretty good

kantor
5 sternguard/ combi plas, combi melt, 2 plasma guns, powerfist sarge in razorback w/ ea
10 sternguard meltagun, plasma gun, power fist sarge in rhino w/ ea
10 sternguard meltagun, plasma gun, power fist sarge in rhino w/ ea
7 man bolter scouts w/ camo cloaks 1w/ hbolter
5 man sniper scouts w/ camo cloaks 1w/ missile launcher accompanied by telion
twin las pred w/ side hbolters
1499 pts

looks like it would work out well, i've had success w/ all these units in several lists, but haven't tried them all together.

10 Sternguard, 5 combi-melta, 5 regular.
In a drop pod. One combat squad goes vehicle hunting, another lays into a differant squad, and the drop pod has fun sitting there pretending to shoot stuff.

Sternguard are difficult to use. One big target for the meltas and you already make your points back. And the opponent has no choice but to throw alot of fire power at them quickly.

Mercer, It is probably fine for him to be low on troops seeing how he has the sternguard that will also score for him.

IMO, don't go too crazy on the combi weapons. Sprinkle a few into each squad. (maybe 3 or 4, 5 is about max)

If you are so crazy about the vanguard, consider putting JP's on them and taking advantage of Heroic Intervention. Most people will tell you that vanguard suck. They are a great unit that when in the hands of a great player will tear sh*t up. A big thing is don't go wild on the PW's. That jacks the price of the unit way up. Vanguard take a considerable amount of practice with to become a very useful unit.

Consider running CC scouts with PF and combimelta in a Storm. They can put a little bit of choppiness into the list. Infililtrate, scout move with the storm and get out and assault turn 1!

Right well i didn't get to play my Kantor list, so i'm still going to see how it goes.

Jet packs on Vanguard is nice.......but you can't have Pedro with them since he doesn't do jump packs.

In my last game against Black Templars (i'm hating them at the moment) melta did EFF all and power weapons ruled.

Ahh well maybe next time. It would be nice to know how they played in an actual game, the only thing ive ever used them for is a bunch of kill team missions.

pdawg517 wrote:Mercer, It is probably fine for him to be low on troops seeing how he has the sternguard that will also score for him.

Yeah I know mate; though I haven't commented on his troops in my last posts.

Even though the vanguard may get tons of attacks... they are still five models in power armor with a 3+ save. When you lose one or two each turn to AP3 weapons, your close combat ability will drop off fast.

Futhermore, one scout ML (BS 3) and a sternguard squad with some combi-meltas and a lascannon is not sufficient anti-tank. Against a mechanized opponent all they have to do is nuetralize the starnguard or even just tarpit them in CC and they can run the table with armored vehicles. You will be completely powerless to stop them.

That is true....

I'll have to have a think.




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OK rethought list for Pedro:

HQ:

Pedro Kantor
175

Chaplain
Terminator Armour
Combi-Plasma
Digital Weapons

145

ELITES

Sternguard (10 man)
x 2 Combi-Plasma
260

Sternguard (10 man)
x 2 Combi-Melta
260

Terminator Assault Squad (5 man)
x 3 Lightning Claws x 2 TH/SS

200

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Chainsword/Bolt Pistol
Plasma Gun
Lascannon
Rhino

225

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Powerfist & Bolt Pistol
Melta Gun
Multi-Melta
Rhino

235

Pedro goes with Melta squad in Rhino. Difference with this (as opposed to Vulkan) is the squad gain an extra attack if assaulted (always good) and they are ready to take down vehicles while sternguard concentrate on taking out infantry.

Other Tac squad has lascannon and plasma gun, so can take out armour at range AND plasma tougher enemies even at rapid fire range.

And then you have the chaplain led terminators with LC and TH. Good against Armour......Beasts against infantry. on the charge (if they happen to be 12" from pedro) they'll have 23 attacks and that's not including the chaplain!
THe chaplain himself will have 5 attacks. rerolled failed rolls to hit AND to wound (digital weapons rule)

Just to go the other way here but I use a 5man sternguard squad with 2 lascannons when I run Pedro as they can sit at the back, hold an objective and snipe the 2 lascannons out of the Rhino. Not hugely cost effective but scoring and packing roughly the same puch as a 10 man tac squad in cc, should it come to that.