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Since sternguard can dish out a MASSIVE 50 shots per shooting turn at rapid fire range with Pedro Kantor I'm constructing an army around this:

HQ:

Pedro Kantor

175

ELITES

Sternguard (10 man)
x 5 Combi-Plasma
275

Sternguard (10 man)
x 5 Combi-Plasma
275

Sternguard (10 man)
x 5 Combi-Plasma
275

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Chainsword
Plasma Gun
Lascannon
Rhino w/ Extra Storm Bolter & HK
245

Tactical Squad (10 man)
Sergeant: Combi-Melta
Plasma Gun
Lascannon
Rhino w/ Extra Storm Bolter & HK
255


TOTAL: 1500

Razorbacks with lascannons target enemy armour, along with ML of tac squads.
At 30" Sternguard open fire (with Kantor in the middle squad giving them inspiring presence) using kraken rounds, with 30 shots from each squad! (2 base attacks per veteran, plus one for Inspiring Presence).
The Rhinos fire HKs at any really hard enemy armour (along with lascannon from hatches), and tac squads are used as mobile objective takers while sternguard pour shots into the enemy from cover.

At 15" Sternguard switch to Rapid Fire (using Kraken rounds) and 3 squads are now pouring out 150 shots!
And then if anything's left alive to continue to attack Sternguard switch to Vengeance rounds at 9" (by then they'll be in danger of being assaulted, but Kantor is good with them! not sure what they'll do if assaulted......fall back probably.

Corennus wrote:Since sternguard can dish out a MASSIVE 50 shots per shooting turn at rapid fire range with Pedro Kantor I'm constructing an army around this
At 30" Sternguard open fire (with Kantor in the middle squad giving them inspiring presence) using kraken rounds, with 30 shots from each squad! (2 base attacks per veteran, plus one for Inspiring Presence).

No, just no. Go read the rulebook again. Weapon profile has NOTHING to do with the number of attacks a model have in its profile.

ok i'm going to have to explain this AGAIN

Sternguard veteran squad has:

2 base attacks

Kraken and vengeance rounds can be used with rapid fire.

in rapid fire range a normal bolter fires twice. A sternguard can therefore fire 4 TIMES at rapid fire range since he has two base attacks.

Add on the +1 attack from Kantor's Inspiring Presence and at rapid fire range a sternguard has 5 shots.

You can explain it how many times you want, you are still totally wrong. Even if you were correct then why would it be 5 times and not 6? Not only are you incorrect, your logic is flawed.

... god I wish that was true.

sternguard would lay waste to everything if that was the case. it would make rapid fire actually scary, instead of mildly annoying.

Not to mention Tactical terminators would actually be useful with 4 krak missiles comming from a single typhoon carrying terminator.
However the Soul Grinder would be a bitch, 4 str 8 AP3 large blasts and 24 str 4 AP 5 shots for 160pts, now thats nasty

The attacks it is referencing is CLOSE COMBAT, not shots fired. +1 A has zero to do with shots fired from a gun. Learn the rules before you go talking down to another poster like you did to tedurer.

Crikey, if your regular opponents actually let you do that then good luck to you but you'll be a sad puppy if you try and pull that in any sort of tournament!

The "A" or Attacks statistic applys only to the number of attacks a model can make in close assault.

The stats for a model's weapon apply only to the number shots it can fire dusring the shooting phase.

The two stats do not affect eachother and certainly are not multipliers for eachother. I'm actually a little staggered that anyone would read the rules that way!

As others has mentioned it's +1 for close combat attacks only, but like I have said to you in the other threat sternguard excel at shooting and in combat you cannot do that so you don't really want them there.

As for the list I think you're missing stuff as no razorbacks listed. Also some of your tactics is flawed because you'll just be sittnig there in the rhino as a firing bunker if you want to use the lascannon, but if you want to move you cannot fire it and only rapid fire the plasma. Also sternguard have a variety of rounds for variety of targets, it's hard to say which rounds you will use until you come up against enemy units.

APOLOGIES. I apologise unreservedly.

I really thought 2 attacks was in shooting as well as assault.

Well, 20 shots at 12" with Vengeance rounds is still ok.

And i get to use my vanguards again.


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OK ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ok so my sternguard aren't the uber killers I thought they were. they can still take on just about anything....

HQ:

Pedro Kantor 175

Chaplain w/ digital weapons 110

ELITES

Sternguard Squad x 2 500

TROOPS

Tactical Squad (5 man) X 2 180

FAST ATTACK

Vanguard Vet Squad (5 man)
Sergeant: LC x 2
X3 LC
Rhino

220

Vanguard Vet Squad (5 man)
Sergeant: LC x 2
X 3 LC
Rhino

220

Landspeeder Typhoon
90

TOTAL: 1500

Nom Nom Nom, my 1500 point dread force eats veterans for lunch. Serious lack of anti armor in this list.

I know that......

But Vengeance rounds with AP3 should help!


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How bout this then......

Change Tac Squads to scout squads and give them MLs.


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Scout squad (5 man)
Missile Launcher
Melta Bombs

90

Your still not going to be able to stop armor, especially the massed dedicated transport spam every list has to stop now.

Vengeance rounds also have the gets hot, special rule...

Veterans are great, in lists over 2000 points, any lower then that and you cant take them in great enough numbers and still support them at the same time.

Well, i'm gonna see which list I prefer. my Sternguard list or my Vulkan spam list.

Or I may decide to do a custom list before tonight's game and just see what I can come up with.

If your going up against opponenats that only play loads of infantry, you should do ok, but it really is anything with an AV thats going to throw a wrench into your plans.

On a side note though, Sternguard are awsome in a kill team game.

How would Vanguard do against armour?

Let's see. Chaplain can reroll failed hits and there's 5 power weapons in his squad. so against Armour his squad has a chance....I might include some melta bombs in his squad just in case.

Vanguard with Pedro...
Pedro has a Power Fist and there are 4 other power weapons.

Actually I wonder....

If i swap out two of the ligtning claws in pedro's squad.....make it a tank hunting unit....

yes. Give one of the squad a thunder hammer.

and melta bombs

You could consevibly take out armor with power weapons. Unfortunatly it brings up one of those cases where you have to roll alot of sucessive 6's.

Wouldnt it be easier to give your sternguard some heavy weapons, combat squad them and have two lines of fire?

Losing one special bolter for a ML or lascannon? maybe.

I'd prob take Missile Launcher. but then again lascannon does the job much better (if it hits).

Maybe one lascannon, one ML.
I'll have to fudge the list around a bit.

Either way it should work and it opens up quiet a few options to you, And makes it alittle harder to completly wipe out all your anti tank ability in one shot. Are you actually going to play this list?

Why not going the dreadnought list I did for you recently? Seemed to rock even if blowing my own horn

Because this is a list to be different. Sure dreadnough lists are awsome, but he wants to run veterans, so we try and see if we cna get it to work.

Corennus posts a variety of lists frequently. He's just trying to figure out a cool army for himself. The dread one was pretty bang on and he rated it also.

With this list he needs to ditch the vanguard because they're too costly, you want vanguard do blood angels . Give the rhinos to the sternguard and tactical squads, throw on combi weapons on the sternguard and tactical sgts too. Add special and heavy weaps to the tacticals, missile launchers are best. THen fill the remaining points with whatever, perhaps typhoon speeders...

Well i'm trying to figure out a list for tonight, and it's looking more and more like a 1000 Vulkan list than a 1500 Pedro one.

I REALLY want to use my vanguard.....

I'm going to try the list with pedro. I might lose BAD, but I want to see if sternguard and vanguard can go together.

ok my pedro list is now as follows:

PEDRO 175
CHAPLAIN 100

STERNGUARDS x2 590
X 1 Lascannon
x 1 ML
x 7 Combi-Plasma
x 7 Combi-Melta

SCOUT SQUAD w/ ML 85
x2

VANGUARD SQUAD w/ RHINO 220
x 5 LC

VANGUARD SQAD w/RHINO 225
x 3 LC & 1 TH + M Bomb


Ditched the Typhoon to give the sternguard lascannon and ML, and lots of combi-plasma / melta!

Thats alot of Combi weapons, lol. Let me know how it works out for ya.

VANGUARD SQUAD w/ RHINO 220
x 5 LC

VANGUARD SQAD w/RHINO 225
x 3 LC & 1 TH + M Bomb

Vanguard is really expensive.
You have five men in a Rhino and pay almost the same as for a Tactical squad (with power fist) in a Rhino.

I'd mount the Sternguard units (without heavy weapons) into Rhinos,
and give the Scouts sniper rifles instead of bolters.
This gives you a solid core of 4 units.

I'd probably add a 10 men Termie squad with 2 cyclones instead of the Vanguard.
I used such a unit with great success in RTTs last year.

I like terminators I really do.

But i've just spent the last week converting the damned units into vanguard and i'm GOING to play them! lol

Lol, more power to ya man.

Have you tried playing any kill team missions, cause veterans are awsome in those games.

And thing is you're forgetting what happens if you add chaplain and pedro to those two vanguard squads.

PEDRO (3 LC, 1 TH)
They get 10 base attacks
3 extra attacks for 3 models with 2 hand weapons
5 attacks for charging
5 attacks for INSPIRING PRESENCE

6 of those attacks can reroll failed wounds.
4 of the attacks are at Str 8 using a Thunder Hammer
and you get pedro's power fist attacks as well! plus his AP 2 storm bolter.


CHAPLAIN (5 LC)
10 base attacks
2 extra attacks for sergeant and veteran wielding 2 weapons
5 extra attacks for charging

now they get all rerolled failed rolls to hit.
PLUS 14 (I think) rerolled failed rolls to wound!
Plus they're all power weapons (apart from chainsword vet) so nearly all wounds are INV save only!

Dude don't waste sternguard funky ammo with heavy weaps or else the other bolters won't get in range. Give them rhino too.

I'd say not enough troops because you've got 2 x 5 scouts which won't last long and then a sternguard unit which can combat squad down.

Vanguard shouldn't be in a rhino because they cannot assault out of it. Honestly they're very expensive mate.

You want to run the above list do this:

pedro cantor

chaplain

5 x sternguard w/ rhino - x amount of combi

5 x sternguard w/ rhino - x amount of combi

5 x scouts w/ sniper rifles or bolters

5 x scouts w/ sniper rifles or bolters

5 x vanguard w/ jump packs & 1 x thunder hammer

5 x vanguard w/ jump packs & 1 x thunder hammer

OH, and if they happen to be within 12" of pedro the chaplain squad get to have 22 attacks instead of 17



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interesting choice mercer.......i'll consider it