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Not go to ground, I said go around!

Ok, what do you guys think about this list. Keep in mind i don't have the money for a second vindicator or land raider so this is a list using what i have.

HQ:
Chaplin in Terminator Armour -130

Elites:
Terminator Assault Squad (2 LC, 3 SS/TH in LRR) -440 (Chap rides w/)
2x Dreadnought w/ 2xTLAC -125 each

Troops:
2x Full Tactical w/ MG & RL (Sarge w/ PF) in Bolterback (+SB) -255 each
1x 5 Man Tac (Sarge w/ Chainsword & BP) in Razorback -130

Fast Attack:
2x Speeder Typhoon & HB -90 each

Heavy Support:
3x LC sponson Pred -120 each

2000

Also I was wanting some input on this style of list for general play, as well as against his Ork army.

Not too bad, I know you said you don't have $ for a second vindi. Why not convert a rhino into one? They add a nice punch to your army. What player isn't scared of a S10 AP2 large blast?

IDK about the speeders as I have only run MM/HF ones, but I am biased because of Vulkan. I would add a MM to the Land Raider.

Consider putting the full Tac Squads in Rhinos and take the points and give the other Sgt a combi weapon.

What I think this list lacks is some crowd control. Sure you have RL's and Speeders, but where are the large blasts and flamers? I think if you are going to stick with your predators then drop the dreads. Bump the 5 man tac squad up to a full 10 man and possibly a Librarian.



This list has potential to be a good take all comers list.

I'm thinking either i can get rid of the SB on the RB's to make the 3rd tac sarge have a PF and MB's. Or I could get rid of one of the preds and make the 3rd tac squad look like this:

1x Full Tac w/ PG & PC (Sarge w/ PW & MB) in Razorback w/ LC/TLPG -280

or

1x Full Tac w/ MG & RL (Sarge w/ PW) in Razorback w/EA -250 (The other 2 would then have Extra Armor as well for added mobility)

With the termies being assault based i really would like a Chaplain tagging along, I'm still debating however on taking a librarian instead. (I'm also in favor of a Chaplain for fluff reasons, I want to make him a grim reaper in termie armor.)

As for adding crowd control I could also make the other 2 RB tacs have flamers and then use the 10 pts for a MM on the LRR

I wasn't suggesting dropping the Chappy. Pick up a libby as well. I prefer power armor chappies because you get an extra attack. The only thing the termie armor does is give him the 2+ armor. More than likely you will be taking invuln saves with him.

I'm not sold on PW's in Tac squads. The fist is almost staple in Tac squads. It is a more reliable way to deal with walkers and MC's.

For full tacs rhinos are probably the better choice. Combat squadding is a situational thing and probably won't be done all the time.

Vindicators, vindicators, vindicators.....Bye bye Nobs

Dont waste pts on PFs for your tacticals. Especially not when they are 5 man units.

Chaplin in termie armour < Cassius <Libby

Drop the PFs and the SBs as well and then take a third Typhoon>

Ok, so after looking over everything, I'm thinking something like this.

HQ:
Cassius -125

Elites:
Terminator Assault Squad (2 LC,3 SS/TH in LRR w/MM) -450 (Cassius rides w/)
2x Dreadnought w/ 2xTLAC -125 each

Troops:
2x Full Tactical w/ MG & RL (Sarge w/ PF) in Rhino -235 each
1x Full Tactical w/ MG & MM (Sarge w/ CS/BP & MB) in Rhino -215

Fast Attack:
2x Speeder Typhoon & HB -90 each
1x MM/HF Speeder -70

Heavy Support:
2x LC sponson Pred -120 each

your previous list was better. Just drop the fists, what do you think they will achieve?

Wasnt this supposed to be a "beat nobs" list? Rifelmans are not good at this.

Mixing LC termies with TH&SS termies is a terrible idea aswell. He will just allocate LC wounds on Nobs one at the time and not a single Nob will die from the LCs, now your THs will be hitting 1 wound Nobs instead. So in reallity LC termies does absolutly nothing.

The fists will IK Nobs in the event that he is assaulted.

If he doesnt combat squad then he might get lucky and instagib a Nob, if he combats squads he will most likely not get to use the fist.

On average the fist will cause 0.55 wounds vs the Nobs if it gets to swing. Id rather use those pts for something better

Actually i play tested this army against him last night and completely destroyed him. I was able to trap his nobs with all of my tacticals shooting rapid fire and my typhoons raining down on him, then locked him in CC with the termies before he could do some major damage to the tacs.

Keep in mind with the lighting claws I'm getting 4 attacks each on the assault with rerolls to hits and wounds. (I'm also wanting to keep the lighting claws for this list as a standard list, i haven't bought bits yet. I wanted to see how this standard play list did against him this time as opposed to list tailoring against him like i originally planned)

I was able to kill 2 of his bikers before they could attack back due to the wounds racked up by my other units. He was able to kill 1 of my LC termies, but next turn 30 tacticals jumped in cc and obliterated him.

All the while my dreads were able to kill off all his flashgitz, and my typhoons managed to swoop around and destroy his warwagon. And then the preds took out all his artillery. Needless to say, he was pissed and by turn 4 he was tabled.

But regardless of this little victory I'm obviously still wanting to improve this list to the point of doing well consistently in standard play. I've never used assault termies before, as I was a straight gunline, but obviously I've seen how effective they are with a LRR.

So, if in fact it truly is not worth the points to take fists what should i spend the points on?

The FiX

HQ: Terminator Librarian w/ SS 140 pts, Epistolary 50pt
Take Null Zone, Vortex of Doom
Tricks Here: Terminator Armor makes you relentless, thus you get to activate null zone and then start lobbing this Str. 10 AP1 small blast at Bike and Vehicle alike. (it will IK the damn bikes)
BTW-- this guy SHOULG be in the LR w/ the termies
Enjoy Yourself.. I know I did when I took 2 of them with 3 Vindicators. Lots of anger to work out there, ya know.


HQ: Vulkan 190

EL:6 TH/SS Assault in DT LR Crusader ( just play counts as) 200 + 40+ 40 + 250 + 15 for Extra Armor so you keep mobile if not shooty, and 10pt for a M-Melta which Vulkan twin links!!!
Note: This one has Assault grenades on it, so cover/terrain isn't going to help slow you when you first pop out

TROOP: 10 man: Rocket-L, Flamer, Sg.t C-Fl in DT Rhino (use one you rhino-class as a counts-as)-- but D-blade on vehicle +5pt.
170+0+0+10+35+5= 220pt hmmm go ahead and give ol' sarge a P-swrd for 15pt and the rhino another Strm bolter to flak the orks for 10 pt = New Sum of 245

Combat Squad this so the Sgt. w/ C-Flamer, Flamer, & 3 regulars are in the vehicle whilst the other half is station for missile anti-vehicle overwatch/neat objective grab duty. In a pinch, the Rhino can move 12", pivot, let you deploy with the back of your bases at the bare 2" line and then you can stick twin-linked template hell over hits your fancy. I enjoy maneuvering to hit more than 1 unit at a time. FYI-- Stick Vulkan in there to add his Hvy-Flamer into it and you have what I usually drop from a drop pod right next to nicely packed troop formations. I call it the heat box--- and I can personally attest to the fact that its Orks like I do Wheaties.

TROOP: 10 man: Rocket-L, Flamer, Sg.t C-Fl in DT Rhino (use one you rhino-class as a counts-as)-- but D-blade on vehicle +5pt.
170+0+0+10+35+5= 220pt + 15 + 10= 245

Vindicator = 115 + 5 for Dozer Blade, you never know when you need to run to or fro
Place for Center response/bait

Take your Land Speeders and play all three as (counts as again!) three seperate Fast choices

Fast (1) LS w. M-Melta, Hvy-Fl 70pt. It's all twin linked here baby! Burn BuUN BURN!!!
Fast (1) LS w. M-Melta, Hvy-Fl 70pt.
Fast (1) LS w. M-Melta, Hvy-Fl 70pt.

Now let's cap with the 2 Predators in the centeral defense line

Hvy Pred-- Auto Cannon, Las Sponsons 120
Hvy Pred-- Auto Cannon, Las Sponsons 120


1995 pts of Revenge.

That wasn't me, that was someone else. Still curious what they meant as well.

one of the dirty tricks with the skimmers is moving 12" pivoting and firing, moving 12" pivoting and firing.

Units swinging at it via melee will need 6's to hit!

Clone, my bad

Hammernators are better than Lightening claws in every way. NEVER take LC Terminators when you can take a Hammernator for free. There is a reason TH?SS is more expensive than 2xLC In every other option in the army and for every other chapter. BAs have to pay 5 points a model to upgrade to TH/SS and with Furious charge their LCs are a far better option than ours!

LCs are better than TH/SS against Hordes. Against anything else the instagib, invulnerable save and high strength will all help you more than the 1 extra attack and iniative. But even if you went all LCs you'd no want to send your Termmies in against Hordes as they'll still suffer point for point. So what is the point of making them weaker against all their intended targets fo rthe "benefit" of having them suck slightly less against a target you still want to keep them away from?

LOLOLOLO....

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LLOLOLOLO

I wish I could add something more constructive, but I'm still laughing too hard.

Doesnt really understand whats funny...its just the plain old truth

I second TH/SS termies in a LR Redeemer.
1) The flamer template(s) from the Redeemer ignore cover saves, which is what his bikes use.
2) The TH/SS termies insta-kill every hit with no FNP saves.