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Kilkrazy wrote:If I gave you some money would it be yours or mine?

People cannot learn responsibility for things they don't decide.

Parents can give advice about spending but the child has to make the decision.

Bless you with this statement, not many people including my parents now in their late 60's can get it clear in their heads that if they give a gift of money they do not decide what you do with it.
Give me a gift card or buy the darn thing but do not start directing how it is all going to happen. When too many strings are attached it tends to be prudent to refuse these "gifts".
The inference of not being "responsible" can be irritating.

Already been giving the odd sum of money to the 5 year old and letting him go to it. Getting very good at understanding how it can be divided up and that when it runs out that is it.

Like with the thread of this discussion we realize there is even consequence on who and how we choose to give our money.

Glad I am not the only curmudgeon of the group...

fullheadofhair wrote:Yes, teching financial responsibility is important (I am an accountant after all) but allowing a purchase to go ahead that you think is wrong is not teaching financial responsibility .

There's really nothing to be said about the above, except write it off as a truly atrocious load of ignorant gak, made even worse by the number of unfounded assumptions you're making.

'Teaching financial responsibility' is not something you do by exercising dictatorial fiat over your child's choices. Almost every poster has at one time or another had a parent express disapproval of their choice of purchases, be it minis, novels, video games, comics, whatever. Does that mean even if you're spending your own money, they still get absolute veto power over your purchases? We've had posters talk about how when they were employed as minors, they're parents took their paychecks and spent them - you think that's just fine because parents should have absolute control over their kids' spending?

Bookwrack wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:Yes, teching financial responsibility is important (I am an accountant after all) but allowing a purchase to go ahead that you think is wrong is not teaching financial responsibility .

There's really nothing to be said about the above, except write it off as a truly atrocious load of ignorant gak, made even worse by the number of unfounded assumptions you're making.

'Teaching financial responsibility' is not something you do by exercising dictatorial fiat over your child's choices. Almost every poster has at one time or another had a parent express disapproval of their choice of purchases, be it minis, novels, video games, comics, whatever. Does that mean even if you're spending your own money, they still get absolute veto power over your purchases? We've had posters talk about how when they were employed as minors, they're parents took their paychecks and spent them - you think that's just fine because parents should have absolute control over their kids' spending?

Claptrap. Learn to argue and read properly and not make leap into assumptions that are just plain nonsense. Did I at any point suggests taking the money off a child. Usually toss and fake outrage you get from dakka. Before the end of the thread I will have advocated chopping a childs hand off for even touching AOBR coz you have to teach the children a lesson they won't forget.

My grandmother sometimes used to give me extra pocket money and she would also give me two important pieces of advice.

1. Don't spend it all at once.
2. Don't fritter it away.

Talizvar wrote:
Setting Price
Bit of an irritant, they wait for the year-end financial report in early spring, look at exchange rate and then set price. What burns me is that distribution is from the USA but they have a set price for Canada. Would you believe I ordered from the "American" site to ship to Canada and with our good exchange rate got it CHEAPER than if I ordered at the Canadian site (which is really shipping from the same place). It just hurts my head.

This isn't unique to GW, it's just one of those things. Would you prefer that the prices on the canadian site were constantly changing?


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fullheadofhair wrote: When they reach 14 or 16 then they can start making some decisions on their own providing a) it isn't my money and b) I agree with it. That would be my job as parent. When they are 16 and work then they get a lot more freedom to decide providing a) they are saving money b) not doing anything illegal with it.

There seems to be some contradiction here - make their own decisions as long as you agree with it.

Without making mistakes they aren't going to learn. I have two little girls and I absolutely do not veto what they spend any money they might have on. I do make suggestions or advice (e.g. "that toy doesn't look very good and it'll take all of your money") but ultimately it's up to them.

They have bought a few stinkers but they've learned and are much more concious now of what things cost. If your kids have daddy to veto their poor decisions until they're 16+ how are they going to manage when you aren't there to do it for them?

Hi all.
To drag this thread back on topic.
IF GW appeal to the easiest to please , with little fiscal control , Eg 11 to 16 yo.

Yet other manufacturers have to apeal to mature well rounded and informed customers.Who WILL search for the best VFM across the whole free market.

This sort of explains why high quality multipart plastic minatures are £16 for 34 from Perry Minatures.Yet £20 for 10 from GW !

However , biulding a buisness plan around appealing to the easiset to please seems a bit self defeating to me .

TTFN
Lanrak.

You would think that if GW used Lean principles in their business, they would be able to make a product and sell it cheaply, thus brining in more customers due to making them happy rather than making them angry.


GG

There's a limit to the number of people who would ever play with GW stuff no matter how cheap it might be.

Mick A wrote:Also, aren't a lot of the GW plastics made in China now? Which makes them even cheaper to produce...

Mick

Not true. Some of the scenery is. The resin Barricades and hedges. The new WotR scenery.
All printing is done in China.

Memphis, TN, USA has a production Facility for the states, Canada, probably ships to Australia(?)

The home base in Nottingham still supplies UK and Europe.

fullheadofhair wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yeah, I know. My Mom took me 4 miles to buy Assault on Black reach, and she was like "What? Are you stupid? You're going to spend 80 dollars on that? That's dumb".

I still bought it, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat, it's a good set.

No, what is dumb is the fact that your mother thought the price/ value didn't make sense and yet still let you buy it. Here, ladies and gentlemen, is an perfect example in black and white of who is causing the price rises over the last 5-10 years. Children with no real "life costs" to pay who are frequently funded by parents who don't apply price/ value rules to their children that they would apply to their own purchases.

Um, okay. Go feth yourself. I earned the money myself after planning for months to go get the set. I obviously don't care what my mother thinks about the prices of the hobby, because I had already researched it and done my homework on the set. She was just giving me a ride.

And also, how can you blame the kids for the price rises? Their parents aren't stupid, they don't want to spend 60$ on a tank, and hopefully they won't. The only people who buy their kids models without making them pay for it,are most likely the parents who play the game themselves, or who understand that their child wants to have fun and be creative.

I find it astounding that you actually place blame on the parents, considering that that only happens maybe once out of every 30 purchases from GW. This IS a depression, after all.


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Kilkrazy wrote:If I gave you some money would it be yours or mine?

People cannot learn responsibility for things they don't decide.

Parents can give advice about spending but the child has to make the decision.

My point exactly. Not really sure what this guy's trying to say. That kids don't know what to buy, so they should just buy at their parent's discretion, even if it's their own money?

I find this person rather insulting,actually. Wish I would've returned to this thread earlier.


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generalgrog wrote:You would think that if GW used Lean principles in their business, they would be able to make a product and sell it cheaply, thus brining in more customers due to making them happy rather than making them angry.


GG

You wins the thread. We all wish it was like this.