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incarna wrote:This isn’t a very glamorous or conspiratorial theory but I think the Tyranids just naturally evolved into the dominant species within their own galaxy, wiped out all other species, consumed all existing biomass, and then left for the next closest galaxy.

This.

Also they avoid Necrons, if they fight them it's because there happens to be some sort of organic life that settled there, with luck bad enough to be on a tomb world.

Think about it, if they made them as a last ditch to fight the Necrons, they wouldn't make something that instinctively avoids them. Old Ones were too busy with the Daemon attack that wiped them out

SaintHazard wrote:^^^ Oh GAWD I lol'd hard.

Okay, now consider this:

Necrons are not biological. Therefore, theoretically, the Tyranids cannot derive any biomass from the consumption of Necrons, right? So logically the Tyranids have no reason to fight the Necrons.

But they do.

Therefore I propose that the Tyranids are a last-ditch effort to stop the C'tan, after the Orks, the Eldar, and yes, even the Imperium, have failed.

By whom, though? That remains a mystery.

Consider also: once the Tyranids have consumed all life in the galaxy, they will have in essence achieved the goal of not only those opposing the Necrons and the C'tan, but the goal of the C'tan as well - they'll be the only remaining biological lifeforms in the galaxy, and thus will cut the Immaterium off from the Materium... especially since they do not, themselves, have a warp signature - quite the opposite. And what will happen once they run out of biomass? Will they slowly starve? Will they leave for another galaxy? Either way, two birds solidly murdered with one stone.

I propose that the Tyranids are quite simply the Apocalypse personified. Once they're through, nothing will exist.

Nothing.

Which is awesome.

^ nothing except the planets inside the eye of terror, where people would probably flee eventually, and become a new race of chaos-humans, and as the Eye can't really be closed (as far as I/we know) then everyone's still happy.

I was under the impression that by separating the Materium from the Immaterium, the Eye of Terror can be closed mostly because it breaks the Warp's only stable link to the tangible universe.

Edit: And that basically this is what the C'tan have been trying to do for X,000 years.

SaintHazard wrote:I was under the impression that by separating the Materium from the Immaterium, the Eye of Terror can be closed mostly because it breaks the Warp's only stable link to the tangible universe.

the only known one to the universe. There ARE other galaxy's y'know. The Dark Gods can just go annoy them some more (because they probably do already.)

This is true, and I shudder to think what they're like without the Imperium to keep the other galaxies in check.

Hm...

Warhammer 60k ahoy!

SaintHazard wrote:This is true, and I shudder to think what they're like without the Imperium to keep the other galaxies in check.

Hm...

Warhammer 60k ahoy!

bwa-ha-ha.

In the game of Warhammer 40(!!),000, it is 200 years after the name suggests.

What's on the label isn't in the can.

Anyway, back on topic.. Maybe we can just do what we humans always do when something annoying comes up, without thinking about the large amount of evidence against it: BLAME TZEENTCH.

SaintHazard wrote:^^^ Oh GAWD I lol'd hard.

Okay, now consider this:

Necrons are not biological. Therefore, theoretically, the Tyranids cannot derive any biomass from the consumption of Necrons, right? So logically the Tyranids have no reason to fight the Necrons.

But they do.

Therefore I propose that the Tyranids are a last-ditch effort to stop the C'tan, after the Orks, the Eldar, and yes, even the Imperium, have failed.

By whom, though? That remains a mystery.

Consider also: once the Tyranids have consumed all life in the galaxy, they will have in essence achieved the goal of not only those opposing the Necrons and the C'tan, but the goal of the C'tan as well - they'll be the only remaining biological lifeforms in the galaxy, and thus will cut the Immaterium off from the Materium... especially since they do not, themselves, have a warp signature - quite the opposite. And what will happen once they run out of biomass? Will they slowly starve? Will they leave for another galaxy? Either way, two birds solidly murdered with one stone.

I propose that the Tyranids are quite simply the Apocalypse personified. Once they're through, nothing will exist.

Nothing.

Which is awesome.

Meh,too lazy to argue that chaos would eventually win everything..It's their destiny to conquer the entire galaxy, and eventually they'd move away from human emotions and move on to more primal urges (NOMNOMNOM) and turn these emotions against the hive mind. It would be simple for a chaos god to possess a Hive tyrant and make it kill all kinds of stuff. That, OR just toss an entire bioship astray into a sun or something.

Chaos will always adapt to match the situation...Except necrons, which are hard to deal with without loyal Chaos Space marines to Pyewpyew them.

But then again, the tyranids could easily wipe out the necrons. They far outnumber them.


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n0t_u wrote:

incarna wrote:This isn’t a very glamorous or conspiratorial theory but I think the Tyranids just naturally evolved into the dominant species within their own galaxy, wiped out all other species, consumed all existing biomass, and then left for the next closest galaxy.

This.

Also they avoid Necrons, if they fight them it's because there happens to be some sort of organic life that settled there, with luck bad enough to be on a tomb world.

Think about it, if they made them as a last ditch to fight the Necrons, they wouldn't make something that instinctively avoids them. Old Ones were too busy with the Daemon attack that wiped them out

What's this? I can has moar info?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:bwa-ha-ha.

In the game of Warhammer 40(!!),000, it is 200 years after the name suggests.

What's on the label isn't in the can.

Anyway, back on topic.. Maybe we can just do what we humans always do when something annoying comes up, without thinking about the large amount of evidence against it: BLAME TZEENTCH.

You misunderstand.

See, GW is all about making this game progressively grimdarker, right? Well, what's more grimdark than jumping twenty thousand years into the future - humanity as we know it is gone, the Imperium has crumbled, and any sense of order has been destroyed by the collective efforts of Chaos and the Tyranids.

A constant war ravages the galaxy between bugs and demons.

GRIMDARK CITY, man.

Hence, Warhammer 60k.

They would never do that. They won't even do 30k, which would be way better.

SaintHazard wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:bwa-ha-ha.

In the game of Warhammer 40(!!),000, it is 200 years after the name suggests.

What's on the label isn't in the can.

Anyway, back on topic.. Maybe we can just do what we humans always do when something annoying comes up, without thinking about the large amount of evidence against it: BLAME TZEENTCH.

You misunderstand.

See, GW is all about making this game progressively grimdarker, right? Well, what's more grimdark than jumping twenty thousand years into the future - humanity as we know it is gone, the Imperium has crumbled, and any sense of order has been destroyed by the collective efforts of Chaos and the Tyranids.

A constant war ravages the galaxy between bugs and demons.

GRIMDARK CITY, man.

Hence, Warhammer 60k.

LOLno. It isn't 20,000 years into the future, it's roughly 39,000. But even that is arguable.. unless you're talking about 20,000 years ahead in the 40k timeline? Oh, the imperium would be destroyed, because the golden throne would have failed and demons would pwn everybody.


Hold, yeah, pretty much what you said.

The Origins of the Nids clearly started on some artists table, as he was tasked with making a new product line that would launch a fledging company eve further along its path to WARGAMING WORLD DOMINATION! Then the idea was ripped off by a popular video game developer, and hundreds of little nerdy kids. Finally tens of years later, military scientists made one, just for kicks. After it killed EVERYONE! We had an answer to killing the Zenomorphs that had plagued Ripley through 4 Movies! And so it was on! Nids Vs Aliens VS PREDATORS!!!!! Some motherfether made a lot of money making the movie, and shipped all the Nids to a storage unit located near Pluto, where it drifted for a few thousand years.....

...RIGHT INTO A BLACKHOLE!!!! OH NOES! Skip a few thousand more and they have evolved in another galaxy, consuming the Aliens and Predators they were in storage with, along with the Protoss, Zerg, and local version of Terrans, as well as all the Sith and Jedi, and a nice big planet made of BADASS, and then skipped back home to tell daddy. But Daddy is dead, as the year is now.. 40,213???? who cares to get the date right! So the Nids got all Emo, and said "TIME TO HAVE A DEPRESSION EATING BINGE!"

Matt.Kingsley wrote:Who made the nids?

Cruddace unfortunately...

Nature did!


Drive through robot chicken?

Captain Kaoss | MySpace Video

HRGiger did

Samus_aran115 wrote:

n0t_u wrote:

incarna wrote:This isn’t a very glamorous or conspiratorial theory but I think the Tyranids just naturally evolved into the dominant species within their own galaxy, wiped out all other species, consumed all existing biomass, and then left for the next closest galaxy.

This.

Also they avoid Necrons, if they fight them it's because there happens to be some sort of organic life that settled there, with luck bad enough to be on a tomb world.

Think about it, if they made them as a last ditch to fight the Necrons, they wouldn't make something that instinctively avoids them. Old Ones were too busy with the Daemon attack that wiped them out

What's this? I can has moar info?

Their fight with the Necrons actually kind of lead to the Daemon gods becoming what they are like now, they always existed but they weren't really evil until the big psychic wars involving the Eldar, Rashan and K'nib. Eventually this lead to the Enslaver Plauge which are kind of half organic alien half Daemon and spread by opening gateways to the warp through Psykers.

Also the Old Ones are the Old Slann and apparently still exist yet they have retired from galactic issues like they figured out something. Basically I researched it more after posting that because it got me interested

Of course quite a few spoilers ahead.
Old Ones
Old Slann
Enslavers
This link from the Jokaero article covering a bunch of the dying races
Timeline of 40ks history (Only 90 years until Mars is terraformed (We're in 10.M3 by the way))

MeanGreenStompa wrote:My own theory is that they are the end result of a gestalt death world.

There is 'fluff' that supports certain death worlds having a shared conciousness across the flora and fauna of the planet and that anyone or anything extraplanetary landing there is immediately attacked.

Should such worlds have millions and millions of years to evolve, eventually, spreading the ecosystem beyond the barrier of space could well occur, as the 'civilisation' of biological symbiotics spread, it could feasibly begin assimilating other life into it, to gain and increase and evolve.

The shared conciousness and symbiotics increase in speed of space travel, assimilation and refining of group mind.

I read about a world like that in the Imperial Guard Omnibus ( the story with the Catachans), and I find your theory quite interesting.

However, there is probably nothing mysterious about it, read the 'Nid codex, they omnomnomed their home galaxy and now they're here do
nomnom us.

Ediin wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:My own theory is that they are the end result of a gestalt death world.

There is 'fluff' that supports certain death worlds having a shared conciousness across the flora and fauna of the planet and that anyone or anything extraplanetary landing there is immediately attacked.

Should such worlds have millions and millions of years to evolve, eventually, spreading the ecosystem beyond the barrier of space could well occur, as the 'civilisation' of biological symbiotics spread, it could feasibly begin assimilating other life into it, to gain and increase and evolve.

The shared conciousness and symbiotics increase in speed of space travel, assimilation and refining of group mind.

I read about a world like that in the Imperial Guard Omnibus ( the story with the Catachans), and I find your theory quite interesting.

However, there is probably nothing mysterious about it, read the 'Nid codex, they omnomnomed their home galaxy and now they're here do
nomnom us.

Sure, that gives us the short term, but where did they come from before they ended up in that galaxy? That's what this thread is about. What's their origin, not what's their last stop.