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Who made the nids?
Are they natural?
Did a evil scientist make them? (such as Jervis )
Are they the minions of a mysterious Ctan? (such as OUTSIDER!)
Are they Daemons?

Please give your theories!



M.K

your posting alot of "what do you think" lol

honestly their are many rumors floating around. all of which you more or less rumored to up their.

My opinion.

they are their own creatures.

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They're pretty firmly aliens and not daemons. They're definitely organic, and I don't think they really serve a higher power. There's probably some obsolete fluff in the 2nd ed rulebook about them, but I'm too tired to dig through it at the moment.

Toeko wrote:your posting alot of "what do you think" lol

Cant think of any thing else to do!!!!

There are a bunch of contradictory leads on the tyranids, but some things are pretty much taken as canon.

They come from outside the galaxy of the milky way (where the imperium of man is a small part).
They might have been fleeing something even nastier than them (predators only run from bigger predators).
They are alien, a hive-gestalt consciousness. The individual parts are no more self aware than ants. They are the eyes and ears and claws of the "mother".

They are NOT daemons. They push the warp back where ever they travel (the shadow), yet they use the warp to track their prey. The warp is becalmed (in much the same way as sailing ships needed wind for most of their travelling, warp travel in 40k relies a lot on the 'currents and eddies' in the warp) around them.
The daemons can't exist without the warp.

If they were servants of the outsider, then I doubt they would have GONE around (by a wide margin) the dyson sphere where it is imprisoned and going ever so slightly bug-fething mad. They would have brought him with them.

They are as natural as void whales.

What you haven't thought of, Chromedog, is that OUTSIDER could be the 'hive mind', I mean, Outsider DID turn crazy and he WAS lost, and C'tan DO have strange powers, and eldar hrlequins say he WILL return, and nids DO consume matierial for no know reason, and if they are natural, why are there ships BIOMONSTROSITIES (that last point of mine is starting to bring Mad Scientists (AKA Jervis ) into this.


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I say they were an experiment of sending preying mantises and ants into a black hole that went terribly terribly wrong, merging the two species and making the hive mind hyper intelligent. This experiment happened present day and it took them that long to make it back to earth.

Slarg232 wrote:I say they were an experiment of sending preying mantises and ants into a black hole that went terribly terribly wrong, merging the two species and making the hive mind hyper intelligent. This experiment happened present day and it took them that long to make it back to earth.

Im guessing Jervis was the mad scientist! (as Iv said before!)

I have a hypothesis that the Tyranids are the kin of the enslavers who have some similar aperances to tyranids and could have created them to ravage the gallaxy.

But I can only guess. Probally no 1 but GW personel really know the origin of the tyranids.

One theory I heard is that the Slann, after pretty much failing to destroy the C'tan/Necrons with all the species in our galaxy, decided to fall back to another galaxy and create the 'nids as the ultimate psychic weapon. That's why they're here, to wipe out the necrons - if some squishy other races become collateral, too bad.

Captain Roderick wrote:One theory I heard is that the Slann, after pretty much failing to destroy the C'tan/Necrons with all the species in our galaxy, decided to fall back to another galaxy and create the 'nids as the ultimate psychic weapon. That's why they're here, to wipe out the necrons - if some squishy other races become collateral, too bad.

Ha ha Well they made the orks for the same reason but I don't think the Slann would make a race that is even more dangerous then orks.

Well, we know they are extra-galactic, so either they came to this galaxy because they have already consumed their own/the one they were in last (we have no idea how many they have hit), or as someone else suggested they are fleeing their own galaxy from something even worse than them.

Based on their ability to so rapidly use the DNA they absorb, their strange ability to push back the Warp yet still use it to travel, and their extremely strong gestalt psychic link (the Hive mind is a lot like the Geth in Mass Effect, the more there are the smarter they get), I would suggest it is possible they were created by someone or something. Although it is also entirely possible that they evolved naturally in some other galaxy where nature acts quite differently!

Captain Roderick wrote:One theory I heard is that the Slann, after pretty much failing to destroy the C'tan/Necrons with all the species in our galaxy, decided to fall back to another galaxy and create the 'nids as the ultimate psychic weapon. That's why they're here, to wipe out the necrons - if some squishy other races become collateral, too bad.

I'm liking this theory, for it makes sense to me. Perhaps the 'nids where sent to wipe out all galaxy's life, and then the hive mind will send a self destructive/suicide order, so the Old Once can start with a tabula rasa

Could the Slann be so cold making tyranids to kill eveything in the gallaxy just to save them selves?

That sounds like eldar to me

This isn’t a very glamorous or conspiratorial theory but I think the Tyranids just naturally evolved into the dominant species within their own galaxy, wiped out all other species, consumed all existing biomass, and then left for the next closest galaxy.

The fantasy world of 40k has Orks, Humans, Eldar, Necrons, Tau, and Daemons struggling with one another for dominance. It is conceivable that, given enough time, one of those factions might rise to preeminence above all others and exterminate its competitors. My understanding is that the Necrons came very close to doing exactly that long ago. Instead of abandoning the galaxy in search of new prey, they went into hibernation. The Orks might wage war amongst themselves for all eternity. Humans might develop the technology to leave the galaxy and expand human civilization into other galaxies. Eldar or Tau might try to build a galaxy-wide utopia (but probably be unsuccessful). Daemons may just via amongst the 4 ruinous powers for ever.

From an instinctual perspective it seems the Tyranids needed to continue their predatory nature and simply left their own galaxy and arrived at ours.

Well, I'll tell you what I think.

Once upon a time in a different galaxy, some guys were experimenting with creating predatory lifeforms for whatever, but then..




..then, one of them did something almost as stupid as the silly people above, and the Hive Mind blah blah, and the Tyranids killed everybody. Then they started moving from galaxy to galaxy, eating everyone.

...So the Tyranids are a Grimdark Frankenstein?

^ yeah, pretty much

Who made the nids?
Mommy Nid and Daddy Nid of course

My own theory is that they are the end result of a gestalt death world.

There is 'fluff' that supports certain death worlds having a shared conciousness across the flora and fauna of the planet and that anyone or anything extraplanetary landing there is immediately attacked.

Should such worlds have millions and millions of years to evolve, eventually, spreading the ecosystem beyond the barrier of space could well occur, as the 'civilisation' of biological symbiotics spread, it could feasibly begin assimilating other life into it, to gain and increase and evolve.

The shared conciousness and symbiotics increase in speed of space travel, assimilation and refining of group mind.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:My own theory is that they are the end result of a gestalt death world.

There is 'fluff' that supports certain death worlds having a shared conciousness across the flora and fauna of the planet and that anyone or anything extraplanetary landing there is immediately attacked.

Should such worlds have millions and millions of years to evolve, eventually, spreading the ecosystem beyond the barrier of space could well occur, as the 'civilisation' of biological symbiotics spread, it could feasibly begin assimilating other life into it, to gain and increase and evolve.

The shared conciousness and symbiotics increase in speed of space travel, assimilation and refining of group mind.

I like this idea a lot.

I had really good theory but i can't remember it now :(

MeanGreenStompa wrote:My own theory is that they are the end result of a gestalt death world.

There is 'fluff' that supports certain death worlds having a shared conciousness across the flora and fauna of the planet and that anyone or anything extraplanetary landing there is immediately attacked.

Should such worlds have millions and millions of years to evolve, eventually, spreading the ecosystem beyond the barrier of space could well occur, as the 'civilisation' of biological symbiotics spread, it could feasibly begin assimilating other life into it, to gain and increase and evolve.

The shared conciousness and symbiotics increase in speed of space travel, assimilation and refining of group mind.

A lot of the fluff suggests that death worlds are actually tyranid spawn, cut off from the hive mind for generations.


I'd be really surprised if anyone at GW has any secret origin set in stone for the Tyranids. They are making this up as they go along. I like the idea of tyranids as a super-predator species that came to dominate their galaxy, and are now looking to dominate another.

Nids will meet their end at the hand of Space Cajuns.
Mmmmm Carnifex Gumbo!

well duh
the emperor made them to protect the imperium from the evil witch hunters, demon hunters, space marines and imperial guard
(wait... what?)

The official GW line on all fluff is that none of it is definitive anyway. BL books, codices, all are different interpretations of whatever the 'truth' of 40k is, none is exact.

chromedog wrote:-snip-
They might have been fleeing something even nastier than them (predators only run from bigger predators).

I like this idea =) The whole notion that there might be something worse than the Tyranids slowly coming towards the galaxy, unknown to everything except those running from it, appeals to me...

It almost appears as though the Tyranids are coming in from behind all the other major powers of the galaxy. Took everyone by suprise when they appeared on the galactic flanks

Wait, outflanking the galaxy! That can mean only one thing, only one perosn can be behind them.

CREEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^ Oh GAWD I lol'd hard.

Okay, now consider this:

Necrons are not biological. Therefore, theoretically, the Tyranids cannot derive any biomass from the consumption of Necrons, right? So logically the Tyranids have no reason to fight the Necrons.

But they do.

Therefore I propose that the Tyranids are a last-ditch effort to stop the C'tan, after the Orks, the Eldar, and yes, even the Imperium, have failed.

By whom, though? That remains a mystery.

Consider also: once the Tyranids have consumed all life in the galaxy, they will have in essence achieved the goal of not only those opposing the Necrons and the C'tan, but the goal of the C'tan as well - they'll be the only remaining biological lifeforms in the galaxy, and thus will cut the Immaterium off from the Materium... especially since they do not, themselves, have a warp signature - quite the opposite. And what will happen once they run out of biomass? Will they slowly starve? Will they leave for another galaxy? Either way, two birds solidly murdered with one stone.

I propose that the Tyranids are quite simply the Apocalypse personified. Once they're through, nothing will exist.

Nothing.

Which is awesome.