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I always thought they were the same but that weird chart you cited above seems to indicate otherwise.

There are multiple words for the same idea in many languages.

Quick, Rapid, Fast, Speedy, etc all represent fast movement.

But that chart (which I've only seen on lexicanum but they cite things so I guess we'll just have to take their word on it) seems to say there are people who are souless and furthermore people who are "vortexes". Not sure how someone's soul can be less than zero though.

I don't think they're soulless. "Soulless" things (there's examples of this in Dark Heresy) are dramatically different from Blanks.

Think of it, rather, as the difference between matter and antimatter. Not a perfect analogy mind you, as there's no explosions involved and only one side feels pain. But perhaps it might help. If not, then think about the difference between a positive charge and a negative charge in electricity.

There's a misunderstanding here. Nurgle is not really about love. He is born from despair, fear and critically apathy. Of breaking down and accepting the ruin of the universe.

Nurgle is about the power that comes from the acceptance of what is. Nurgle will accept you no matter what. He will free you from death by giving you a peculiarly horrible form of damnation so that you might despair for all eternity and feed him the emotion that empowers him.

Tzeentch is of course his opposite and nemesis. The refusal to accept fate. The ambition and hope to actively change it.

That is so interesting...I'm starting Chaos

Go plague marines!But how do you convert them btw?

Ah, first army I played and read all the fluff about is Chaos and could talk about it all day BUT question was "What is the Warp?"

Something much like "Hyperspace" or "Slipstream" or "Wormhole" (kinda) other concepts mainly an other-realm or dimension.
Primary rules are that conscious and unconscious thought and strong mental power has a direct influence outside of the realm and particularly in it.
The use of this other dimension allows physical travel and communication (with no guarantees) to be mainly faster than physical travel or communication in "real space".
Some arguments that only time is effected and that physical travel distance may not be so much the deciding factor.

Starship travel hinges on the engines able to fold or gain entrance to the warp, a "Gellar" field to protect it (from the changing properties of the warp or things in the warp) and a Navigator who is a mutant with a third eye that can "see" the warp in all it's weirdness and uses the psychic beacon from Terra to help with navigating (that many psykers die in maintaining, heck of a lighthouse keeper job).

Communication hinges on a sending and receiving "astropath". Being able to make sense of a received signal, transcribe a message and come to a best estimate of relative date/time message was sent is the tricky part since "true" Terra time and someone else's relative time could be a matter better left to philosophers rather than scientists.

The more "blasphemous" uses is the ability to create form, substance or pure energy from or in the warp.
This could be energy blasts from a psyker/witch, a demon's body, entire worlds created in the warp to amuse a sufficiently powerful master.
The gathering of powerful minds, gaining their common cause (i.e bloody warriors: Khorne) or just plain worship and becoming that focus, power is given and can be used by that focus, give it form or change it.

So anyway, all that happens to those demons that are banished for a thousand years and a day is really they get sent to some backwater bus-stop in a demon realm that 500 years is about a day so that is why when they get back they are still so pissed off: their death is still fresh in their minds and they would be really angry if the one that killed them dies of old age.

Anyway, this is why all this fluff is so much fun, pretty much with all these broad strokes you can make any strangeness seem plausible.

If you read this far... go play x-box, paint, go out and dance, something, anything...

Chaos Daemons page four wrote:
Beyind the boundries of physical space, unrestricted by time or causality, there is a plance utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds. It lies on the other side of dreams and nightmares, created without form or structure. It exits far outside imagination; an impossible abstraction made real only by metaphor. It is composed of love and hate, fear and hope, ambition and despair, and yet is an uncaring, emotionless void. It is constantly reborn but has never changed, eternally shifting though static. No natural, preternatural or supernatural sence can see, smell or hear it, except through illusory analogues that drive men insane. It is a place where gods thrive in constant war, fighting over the raw stuff of anti-creation that birthed them.

This is the Realm of Chaos.

...and...

Chaos Daemons page six wrote:
The Realm of Chaos, also know as the Warp . . .

To sum it up, think of your favourite dichotomy. The Warp is both, neither, the former, and the latter all at the same time.

Wings of Purity wrote:That is so interesting...I'm starting Chaos

CALL NOW UPON THE UNHOLY POWERS OF THE CHAOS GODS.

Chaos Daemons page four wrote:
Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or causality, there is a plance utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds. It lies on the other side of dreams and nightmares, created without form or structure. It exits far outside imagination; an impossible abstraction made real only by metaphor. It is composed of love and hate, fear and hope, ambition and despair, and yet is an uncaring, emotionless void. It is constantly reborn but has never changed, eternally shifting though static. No natural, preternatural or supernatural sence can see, smell or hear it, except through illusory analogues that drive men insane. It is a place where gods thrive in constant war, fighting over the raw stuff of anti-creation that birthed them.

This is the Realm of Chaos.

love it

Wings of Purity wrote:Up there

He is asking to many questions! Purge him!!!

is the =][= 's take on that question.

I have a lot of questions, but I only post ones that is more related and benifitial to dakka and 40k


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Wings of Purity wrote:I have a lot of questions, but I only post ones that is more related and benifitial to dakka and 40k


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Oh the Chaos Gods are only too pleased for you to question.

Tzeentch wants you to question, to question everything. Accept nothing as it is.

Is it correct to assume that, if the universal fighting in 40K were to suddenly stop, the Chaos Gods would become Good Gods and the Warp Daemons would become less warped (see what I did there ) and evil?

NostrilOfTerror wrote:Is it correct to assume that, if the universal fighting in 40K were to suddenly stop, the Chaos Gods would become Good Gods and the Warp Daemons would become less warped (see what I did there ) and evil?

They likely wouldn't become good, but I imagine that they would lose a significant portion of their power and influence if combat and hatred didn't rule the galaxy.

The cyclical nature of war in 40k is exactly what the Chaos Gods want, I doubt they want their forces to ever 'win', because if they ran out of souls to feast on they would likely be sad.

They can't win the war.They kill a lot of people, they feast on a lot of souls but they can't win the war against the material world.

I mean only some of them could appear at a time, not all of them.

That's why they're constantly trying to break down the barriers between the Materium and Empyrean.

But they can never break it if none of us do anything stupid.

Think of it as a reflection in a mirror. What you see in the mirror is influenced by the world around it. Now imagine the mirror could do that back at the world! And so influencing it back till all you get is a twisted image of what it once was.

Its a vicious cycle. I blame the eldar .

We had our fun, time to clean up!

So... wait... since the tau have little/no presence in the warp... does that mean they have no emotions?

NostrilOfTerror wrote:So... wait... since the tau have little/no presence in the warp... does that mean they have no emotions?

No, they can be very emotional, just like the rest of the races, but their race is young enough to were they have not had time to have much impact on the warp.

Just like how a grown up would ignore a baby crying instead of running around looking for cures.


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I mean a stranger...but maybe not their mothers

I call it "Space Hell" and I don't think I'm too far off.

So its hell, why didnt you say that earlier

Yeah, but I don't think you go there when you die.

Actually you do...Your goes into the warp, or something like it...so it's basically Hell

It's not hell. All the psychic manifestations of races exist there, 'good' or 'evil'. It's more like a parallel reality that was created in and of the emotions of psychic races.

HELL atleast that what it looks like .

Totally random buuuuut.....
If the 14th Black Crusade turns out to be a smashing success, and the galaxy is overrun by the forces of Chaos... Would that create a reversal of emotional polarity in the warp?
yknow, bad becoming good?
Way oversimplification I know but hey, why the hell not.