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Its another dimension that reflects the emotions of a everyone, which is how the Chaos Gods were created (and probably every other warp based diety as well)

Everyone has a presence here, except pariahs. Psykers more so than usual.

Thats what I can gather at least.

I dont get it,chaos born in the warp of emotions?

Well emotions are tumultuous by nature(and definition). The 4 major Chaos gods are the personifications of the emotions: Anger, Hope, Despair, and Lust. there are many Minor Chaos Deities, along with several non-chaos gods running around in the warp(Gork and Mork)

Chaos was not Born in a Warp of emotions, but the Warp of emotions IS Chaos. Most Creatures/races in the 40k universe have a sort of gestalt Psychic field that permeates throughout their species. Orks use it for some humorous stuff, along with the power of the Waaagh, and Weirdboy powers. Humans Use it to become Psykers, as do Eldar. The Tyranid Hive Mind has a direct effect on it by being Psykers and yet having no emotion, and Necrons/Tau have no Field/do not register in the warp.

Snikkyd: pariahs may not have a Presence in the Warp, neither do human "blanks" but both have a Negative effect on the warp, and Warp users.

so warp users are psykers?

Psykers or daemons.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Snikkyd: pariahs may not have a Presence in the Warp, neither do human "blanks" but both have a Negative effect on the warp, and Warp users.

Aren't blanks and pariahs the same?

Nope.

Think of it like this:

You don't really tend to notice blanks. If you're in a crowded room with one, you'll never notice him.

People tend to notice Pariahs. If you're in a crowded room with one, everyone's killing themselves.

Fafnir wrote:People tend to notice Pariahs. If you're in a crowded room with one, everyone's killing themselves.

Well, more like everyone is extremely uncomfortable/disturbed mentally, but yeah.

Oh yeah now I remember. Pariahs are especially bad for psykers, the anti psyker asassins are pariahs, Culexus I think.

Ill try and explain as best I can:
No one can truly comprehend the warp, no mortal mind can grasp its infinite complexity but what we know is: All mortal beings (except blanks as said) have a warp presence to varying degrees. e.g Tau have almost no warp presence at all where as humans and eldar have a very high warp presence. This means all emotions from the normal universe are reflected in the warp. This means if an entire race is experiencing lots of the same emotion, they can combine to form a god (e.q eldar and the birth of slaanesh) Phykers can use the warp for many different things. Within the warp there are countless daemons which are attracted to phykers, if this becomes to strong, the daemons can tear into the normal universe, or simply affect the phyker in some brutal fashion. Within the warp there is no concept of time, thus allowing almost instantaneous interstellar travel and communication by using this medium. Souls of the dead also collect in the warp, where they are most likely eaten by some warp predator or can be reborn in another body. It is worth noting that the emperor constantly holds back daemons from the mortal realm. (if he were to die many things COULD happen but I wont go into that) The gods in the warp also give up some of the emotion they are made from to form daemons. If they are destroyed in the mortal realm they are banished back to the warp for "100 years and a day" though this could be just seconds or far longer for the daemon.

Fafnir wrote:You don't really tend to notice blanks. If you're in a crowded room with one, you'll never notice him.
People tend to notice Pariahs. If you're in a crowded room with one, everyone's killing themselves.

sigged lol

Some other things worth noting:

As has been said, the warp is another dimension, linked to ours by psykers.

Think of the warp dimension like a pool. Once it was calm and peaceful. The Old Ones may have been the first psykers able to access the warp and use. They traveled through it and used it. The warred with the necronoiter, and later necrons. To win the war they attempted to weaponize the warp, creating the Eldar and the Orks (and possibly others). Both of these psyker races could use the warp offensively (that may even be why the Eldar are able to make warp gods, to use as weapons against the necrons).

Unfortunately all of these powerful negative emotions churned up the warp. Imagine dropping a rock in the pool. It leaves ripples, but doesn't have any great effect. Now throw millions of rocks in. It starts churning and boiling, becoming increasingly turbulent.

We know that this other dimension called the warp had its own creatures. As these emotional psykers continued to churn the warp many were driven insane, eventually causing the 'enslaver plague', as the newly violent enslavers proceeded to wipe out most life in the universe some million years ago, including most of the Old Ones.

With most life gone and no major wars the warp was able to settle again. While not as peaceful as it once was it wasn't actively destroying the material universe. Humans evolve and colonize space and the Eldar expand their holdings. This may be why Dark Age humans were able to navigate the warp without navigators, and were largely ignorant of warp horrors. The warp was fairly calm and warp calculations were sufficient (like in star wars).

Then the elves began to descend into debauchery, their negative emotions stirring up the warp. Their negative emotions and debauchery began to to form a new god, which further churned the warp. Mankind began becoming psychically aware, and therefore having a greater effect on the warp. The AI uprising occurred, pushing humanity into a state of war and terror, further stirring up the warp.

As the warp became increasingly turbulent human navigation became impossible. Where once you could put a boat on a pool, push it, and let it float to other side, now the water was churning and splashing while sharks and all manner of beasts attempted to crush it.

After 5k years slaanesh was born, allowing the warp to settle a bit. The Navigators were developed. They were able to see into and predict the warps movements, allowing for navigation. The Emperor tried to abolish chaos worship, and indeed all worship, and convince humanity to become logical and rely on science. Had he succeeded the warp may have been able to settle again. He failed.

Slaughter, debauchery, and misery have been the order of the day for 10k years. The warp reflects the emotions of the psychic beings in the physical universe. It is a place of madness, chaos and death.

The four chaos gods, beings born of the emotions and worship of psyker races, are not necessarily evil. Slaanesh encompasses beauty and art, Khorne courage and valor, Nergal familial love and friendship, and Tzenich hope and ambition. But they reflect the physical universe. They are as violent, debauched, corrupted and dangerous as the physical universe they have spawned from.

If you were to go into it, it'd be like mashing the various ideas about hell-- from the biblical to greco-roman to the lovecraftian to more-- into one place.

Nurgle is love and friendship?!!?!!!

Wings of Light wrote:Nurgle is love and friendship?!!?!!!

Why do you think we call him papa Nurgle?

Actually, yes, despite being arguably the most... disturbing of the Chaos gods, Nurgle is actually a very friendly figure.

But they take off other people's heads and make them into grenades!...

I wouldn't call love and friendship parts of Nurgle's domain. Sure, he's friendly and stuff, but so is Slaanesh No, I just don't think love and friendship have any real representation in the Chaos Gods. Nurgle is the chaos god of despair, decay, and so on... that doesn't mix very well with love and friendship.

Wings of Purity wrote:But they take off other people's heads and make them into grenades!...

Seems a loving and friendly thing to do...

the warp= not a nice place to live (unless your a chaos god)

I cant remember where it says it but what riplikash said about "The four chaos gods, beings born of the emotions and worship of psyker races, are not necessarily evil. Slaanesh encompasses beauty and art, Khorne courage and valor, Nurgle familial love and friendship, and Tzenich hope and ambition." is true, I think might have seen it on Lexicanium but dont quote me on that.

The way I see it is that the Chaos gods dont percieve their characteristics and actions ect as being evil. Nurgle offers freedom from suffering to those who except it, All plague marines are said to revere papa Nurgle as being kind and giving, saving them from the horror and suffering of being mortal. Slaanesh is pursuing perfection in a whole load of seriously messed up ways, as with the eldar before the fall, they just strived to reach the limits of their enjoyment of life. once it was heightened so much and experienced on such a huge scale, that emotion of ecstacy to shape in the warp. Khorne is the embodiment of valour and courage, the only problem is that to fully experience these two atributes, you need combat. over time this escalates to the bezerk "MAIM KILL BURM! it is to day, but bezerkers are fearless (ie cant doubt their courage) and wouldn't step back from a fight and will fight tooth and nail for Khorne, showing valour. Tzeentch Is pretty straight forward, and i believe to be the least obviously "evil" as would be percieved by others.

Lexicanum doesn't list nurgle as the Chaos God of Love and Friendship Not that it is a perfect source, but I don't recall anything resembling that.

Despair, decay, physical corruption, suffering, and agony are Nurgle's domains. He is friendly, but that doesn't mean he is the chaos god of friendship.

I would think Tzeentch and Slaanesh would be better fits. The latter for more obvious reasons (though s/he would focus on the hedonistic side of love), but the former because Tzeentch is supposed to be the chaos god of hope, which is something mortals often associate with love.

It comes from a fair amount of fluff over many years, a lot of it from warhammer fantasy. Liber Chaotica had a fair bit of it I think, some was in various white dwarf articles, the rest I can't remember off the top of my head.

Yes to the person who said they don't perceive their actions as evil. They are reflections of the emotions of physical beings, so their views are corrupted just as the physical universe is.

As love and family...definitely slaanesh has romantic love, nurgle is more the love of acceptance (papa nurgle loves his children and gives them gifts). Home and hearth stuff. Not changing ambitious love, not driven love. The love of belonging, feeling at home, security and comfort, absence of fear.

Papa Nurgle loves his children, and gives them so many gifts.

He even has a wife (the eldar godess), who he loves so much, and keeps close to him always (in a cage), and gives his 'gifts' to.

Because Papa Nurgle loves his family so much, and gives them so many gifts.

So stay awhile, and never leave, papa nurgle loves you for who you are, no matter how you look. He'll take care of you, so just stay here, forever.

So the warp is a different universe(papa nurgle stay aside for a while please), and chaos are the civilians of that different world?And when someone in OUR universe link themselves to their universe without control, they come into our world and do their jobs?

Oh and human who believes in the chaos side are traitors?and thats the heresy?

Back to papa nurgle, he has an eldar wife?!

The warp is where your thoughts, dreams and soul exist.

It's all very confusing. I didn't really understand it until I read A thousand Sons. That really helped me understand it.

Wings of Purity wrote:So the warp is a different universe(papa nurgle stay aside for a while please), and chaos are the civilians of that different world?And when someone in OUR universe link themselves to their universe without control, they come into our world and do their jobs?

Oh and human who believes in the chaos side are traitors?and thats the heresy?

Back to papa nurgle, he has an eldar wife?!

Yes, the warp is a different universe, which can be contacted and effected by psykers in our universe. There are two kinds of "citizens" of the warp: natural residents that lived there (most of which have been twisted and/or driven insane by our psychic feedback) and daemons which are created by the emotions of sentients in the physical universe.

Warp beings cannot exist in our universe normally. But they an unshielded psyker can act as a door. They can either possess them (sometimes transforming their bodies), or use their bodies and powers to weaken the walls of reality and allow the warp in (usually only for a limited amount of time). The one exception to this is that if they can get a powerful enough psyker, or generate enough energy they can weaken our reality enough to create a Daemon World where the laws of reality are so weak that warp entities can exist there indefinitely and the landscape/laws of physics can be twisted at their whim.

Humans who worship or consort with chaos are considered traitors, yes. Most things in the warp want to kill us horribly, and those who worship/consort with chaos risk the lives of everyone around them. Chaos has a corrupting effect and daemons as a rule are trying to get into the physical universe. Over time chaos consortors are almost always corrupted and end up serving the chaos entities who are very hostile to physical life.

And yes, Nurgle keeps Isha, an Eldar Goddess of healing, locked up in a cage in his basement. He 'loves' her very much and constantly gives new new 'gifts', that is, feeds her every new disease and poison he comes up with. In case you haven't caught it, Nurgle (and his followers) consider his diseases gifts and treasures. Nurgle always saves the 'best' diseases for his children (followers).

Snikkyd wrote:Its another dimension that reflects the emotions of a everyone, which is how the Chaos Gods were created (and probably every other warp based diety as well)

Everyone has a presence here, except pariahs. Psykers more so than usual.

Thats what I can gather at least.

Pariahs and blanks have presence in the form of vortex.

Pariahs/Blanks are the same thing basically. One could argue that Pariahs refer to the stronger version, but they're still the same thing (just as a beta level psyker is still a psyker, just like a gamma level psyker).

How a Blank's aura is described varies from source to source, but imagine there being a "hole" in reality. One that is painful to even be close to. That's what a Blank's soul is like in the warp.