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n0t_u wrote:Might want to tone it down a touch there, you'll scare away all that fun theorizing you wanted.

Dictionary wrote:
Hyperbole is a figure of speech that uses an exaggerated or extravagant statement to create a strong emotional response. As a figure of speech it is not intended to be taken literally. Hyperbole is frequently used for humour.

all I said was that I don't think I went that far.

I am not entirely sure how to respond to this thread...

It is cool, but no more intriguing than special effects and quirky ideas that I have already been exposed too.

Aliens want to eat you...

Hmmm, maybe that wasn't the best way to end this post.

Most likely china playing with this idea.
http://www.strategycenter.net/imgLib/20071217_06.jpg

DakkaDapper wrote:Clearly you're all talking out your asses. Every televised event I've seen of rockets launching look absolutely nothing like that. Now, am I saying it's some alien craft? Hell no. All I'm saying is that I don't know WHAT it is, and neither do all of you. But, this, coupled with those two "swirls" a few months ago over western Europe, is leading me to believe that there's something going on. Might be something big, might be absolutely nothing. But I'd rather be suspect until hardcore proof is provided than drink the kool-aid of "clearly"s.

Its the Apacalypse! Time to party! Where's my drink?

OMG! I'm like, sooo afraid right now!

Because those spirals might be nothing. But they also might be signs and portents that aliens or extradimensional beings are coming to give us all swirlies.

So when you think about it, that means it's 50/50 that we end up with our heads shoved in toilets. ALIEN TOILETS.

So afraid.

Wait, people still believe in UFO's?

Reading this thread I was 100% on your side until you brought up 9/11, Urban.

Cool UFO, though I have seen rockets do some wacky things. I lived in 29 Palms for a while. Those missile defense rockets they were testing out in the early part of this decade would blow your mind.

To: IG_urban

Please do not think that none of the people here have never seen a rocket launch. I have watched 6 different payload rockets launches, seen MRLS fired and even when I was stationed in South Korea I saw a North Korean Medium Range missile test which looked similar.

When a rocket is fired and it hits the upper atmosphere there is many different things that can effect on how people see the rocket. Air currents and air speed, the amount of moisture in the air, dust particales that reflect light. Also, depending on the location of where they want to the payload to be at in orbit the rocket might be seen from hundreds of miles away.

Before you go off on people please go to the library and check out a science book. Learning is fun and keeps you from looking paranoid. If you do not like the answers that are different than what you think it is then don't ask the question.

P.S. If I am wrong then I hope the aliens are kind and lube up before administering the anal probe.

Pipboy101 wrote:

Before you go off on people please go to the library and check out a science book. Learning is fun and keeps you from looking paranoid. If you do not like the answers that are different than what you think it is then don't ask the question.

IG_urban wrote:
4. where?

Go to 1:50, that the effect a sonic boom has on semi-gaseous clouds in the atmosphere. Note the resemblance to the video you posted.

IG_urban wrote:
6. People will drink any kool aid you give them, Bush's 80+% approval rating following 9/11 is evidence of this. Just because it is reasonable at the time, does not mean it will continue to be so. Do you expect a child who walks in on his parents fething when he is 5, and is told that they are hugging, to continue to believe that as he gets older?

The child would have reason to alter his belief as he aged. You don't have reason to suspect this event is anything other than what it appears to be.

IG_urban wrote:
...I just got pissy because that is the FIRST thing that everybody started saying....

Its the most reasonable explanation, so that shouldn't surprise you.

IG_urban wrote:
....America used to think the Iraq "War" was justifiable. Then we started to think for ourselves and question the answers that the powers at be were feeding us, I am doing the same.

That's a poor analogy. Changes how one feels about an event is not the same as determining the fact of an event. One does not make a factual claim when calling the Iraq War justifiable. One does make a factual claim when referring to a given event as something specific.

Here's a UFO story for ya.

So years ago I was taking a flying lesson when I spotted something moving off to my right. It was polished silver, disc-shaped, and was darting around in weird ways that you can't do with an airplane. Sounds familar, huh?

I asked my flight instructor what that was, and he kinda double-taked on it. Then at the same instant we both realized what it was -- a small helium-filled mylar balloon that had somehow drifted a few thousand feet up. Against the sky it was at first hard to tell its scale...whether it was a large object far away or a small one fairly close by.

The moral of this story is that it really can be "just a balloon."

dogma wrote:Its clearly a misfired rocket.

You had me at "clearly".

GG

gorgon wrote:OMG! I'm like, sooo afraid right now!

Because those spirals might be nothing. But they also might be signs and portents that aliens or extradimensional beings are coming to give us all swirlies.

So when you think about it, that means it's 50/50 that we end up with our heads shoved in toilets. ALIEN TOILETS.

So afraid.

I'm only scared if thats M. Night Shyamalan behind the camera, as if it is, who knows what the hell is going on.

It's a cruise missile with sprinklers on the sides!!!!11!!

Nah, seriously, with all the vids of spectacular stuff involving missiles, I fin it hard to believe that this is some kind of UFO.

IG_urban wrote:my theory? Chinese or Korean based testing of a new air/spacecraft. I think it would be neat as hell to find out.

Over what appears to be a well-lit urban area?

6. People will drink any kool aid you give them, Bush's 80+% approval rating following 9/11 is evidence of this. Just because it is reasonable at the time, does not mean it will continue to be so.

Sorry, are you one of those nuts who thinks something else other than the aeroplanes caused the Twin Towers to collapse?

As someone with a Masters in Aeronautical Engineering from Loughborough University who has won NASA design competitions, I am perfectly happy that such a trail could be caused by a rocket, and that the Twin Towers collapsed due to the impacts of the aircraft.

Fifty wrote:

IG_urban wrote:my theory? Chinese or Korean based testing of a new air/spacecraft. I think it would be neat as hell to find out.

Over what appears to be a well-lit urban area?

why is that so hard to believe? all they have to do is call it a misfired rocket and you all forget it and go about your lives.

Fifty wrote:Sorry, are you one of those nuts who thinks something else other than the aeroplanes caused the Twin Towers to collapse?

As someone with a Masters in Aeronautical Engineering from Loughborough University who has won NASA design competitions, I am perfectly happy that such a trail could be caused by a rocket, and that the Twin Towers collapsed due to the impacts of the aircraft.

You could, or could not have said degree, I would never know. I have my doubts on both accounts, I guess I am a nut. People who think differently are usually ostracized.

IG_urban wrote:

You could, or could not have said degree, I would never know. I have my doubts on both accounts, I guess I am a nut. People who think differently are usually ostracized.

Or just insane. The homeless guys that occasionally rant on the corner near my bus stop generally think pretty differently too.

Or in the words of the immortal bard:

Lol at the idea that breaking the soundbarrier would cause a vapor trail to spread thousands of meters across in a few seconds. A multi stage rocket disengaging or an engine explosion would explain quite a few things, but certainly not "breaking the sound barrier".

Sure it pretty though.

Pipboy101 wrote:To: IG_urban

Please do not think that none of the people here have never seen a rocket launch. I have watched 6 different payload rockets launches, seen MRLS fired and even when I was stationed in South Korea I saw a North Korean Medium Range missile test which looked similar.

When a rocket is fired and it hits the upper atmosphere there is many different things that can effect on how people see the rocket. Air currents and air speed, the amount of moisture in the air, dust particales that reflect light. Also, depending on the location of where they want to the payload to be at in orbit the rocket might be seen from hundreds of miles away.

Before you go off on people please go to the library and check out a science book. Learning is fun and keeps you from looking paranoid. If you do not like the answers that are different than what you think it is then don't ask the question.

P.S. If I am wrong then I hope the aliens are kind and lube up before administering the anal probe.

Don't be like that. I always quest for knowledge, at all times. Don't ever assume or insinuate that I don't. Besides, I believe I said that I DOUBT any of you have seen a actual rocket launch, and at that time, I was referring to the current posters in the thread. I have already stated that I get defensive and hot headed, but even in the midst of that, I still leave a margin for my own error, hence the use of the word "doubt".




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ShumaGorath wrote:Lol at the idea that breaking the soundbarrier would cause a vapor trail to spread thousands of meters across in a few seconds. A multi stage rocket disengaging or an engine explosion would explain quite a few things, but certainly not "breaking the sound barrier".

Sure it pretty though.

wow Shuma actually posting something that I can loosely tie in to being partially on my side of the debate?


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Frazzled wrote:

IG_urban wrote:

You could, or could not have said degree, I would never know. I have my doubts on both accounts, I guess I am a nut. People who think differently are usually ostracized.

Or just insane. The homeless guys that occasionally rant on the corner near my bus stop generally think pretty differently too.

Or in the words of the immortal bard:

I think we are taking about two very different things, and I think you know exactly what I was referring to....


...your point is still true and hilarious, though.

wow Shuma actually posting something that I can loosely tie in to being partially on my side of the debate?

Sure? Keep in mind that an engine explosion or the firing off of a first stage rocket would explain the pattern of the vapor trail and in the cast of the rocket stage the suddenly decreased visible volume of the objects tail. I would chalk this up to a multi stage ICBM test going terribly awry personally.

IG_urban wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Lol at the idea that breaking the soundbarrier would cause a vapor trail to spread thousands of meters across in a few seconds. A multi stage rocket disengaging or an engine explosion would explain quite a few things, but certainly not "breaking the sound barrier".

Sure it pretty though.

wow Shuma actually posting something that I can loosely tie in to being partially on my side of the debate?

Thats not necessarily helpful though... next thing you know you'll start agreeing with Frazzled, then you're well and truly doomed.

well you and I both share an affinity for weenies....I mean we are both under mind control of Legion, so we can at least bask in that similarity.

IG_urban wrote:well you and I both share an affinity for weenies....I mean we are both under mind control of Legion, so we can at least bask in that similarity.

Well you have to admit you didn't see the 1980s commercial coming.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometime you don't!

It's Jesus Christ on a Skybike. Any fool can see that.

...I love watching people RUSH to find the most safe, logical explanation for things

Yup why hurry to reason when you can idlly speculate?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:It's Jesus Christ on a Skybike. Any fool can see that.

...I love watching people RUSH to find the most safe, logical explanation for things

Yup why hurry to reason when you can idlly speculate?

But I saw two lights hurtling toward me on the interstate... I got the hell outa there....

I could assume it was a car, thats the safe, logical thing to do...

However just in case it was 2 wil-o-wisps coming to steel my soul, I hauled ass outa there...

IG_urban wrote:still unexplained....still not world news.....






ignore the vid title...




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go to 0:28 for the real wtf.

WTF? Ahhh must be the Japanese Gundam Suits! For a test drive

Asherian Command wrote:
WTF? Ahhh must be the Japanese Gundam Suits! For a test drive

Theres a van parked outside with 1000 dollars worth of your warhammer army of choice....

QUICK you have 30 seconds to claim it...

*click*

Damn it! I wanted two space marine compaines of 40k!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:It's Jesus Christ on a Skybike. Any fool can see that.

...I love watching people RUSH to find the most safe, logical explanation for things

Yup why hurry to reason when you can idlly speculate?

thats cute. when you learned that being hyper literal on the interwebs made you seem cooler, did you get excited?

ShivanAngel wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:It's Jesus Christ on a Skybike. Any fool can see that.

...I love watching people RUSH to find the most safe, logical explanation for things

Yup why hurry to reason when you can idlly speculate?

But I saw two lights hurtling toward me on the interstate... I got the hell outa there....

I could assume it was a car, thats the safe, logical thing to do...

However just in case it was 2 wil-o-wisps coming to steel my soul, I hauled ass outa there...

we don't see millions of these things every night on earth, and as humans, we have not been accustomed to seeing them for almost 100 years, so I don't quite see how your little bit of sarcasm does anything else than make you out as a boor....

if you are going to be a smart ass, at least be more clever.

thats cute. when you learned that being hyper literal on the interwebs made you seem cooler, did you get excited?

Not really
Cool ain't my bucket of chum.

I don't really know what hyper literal means and have never used the expression "interwebs"

I was just amused by the implication that you thought it better to embrace an irrational approach.
You appear to be saying that you are keeping an open mind, which is good and sensible.
But then suggest what it might be based on nothing other than the fact it sounds cool.
In which case it could be Jim Morrisson riding on a storm.

There is keeping an open mind and there is saying you are keeping an open mind as an excuse for wild speculation.
That would not be so bad if you were not chastising others for taking a rational approach.

Try looking up Occam's Razor on the interwebs