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Since the LC/TL-Plas seems so popular, how do you guys model it?

I am in the process of making some open topped mini-turrets from sentinel cabs and plasticard. It looks like a marine can sit in there and I have the LC mounted higher on one side and the plasma up front kind where the marine is firing it from the cab sort of like the rhino stormbolter.

Happygrunt wrote:

Acardia wrote:What about running at least as a BA player either a libby or libby dread with the Shield of Sanguines?

Irrelevent. This is a Razorback thread..

It's not that irrelevant considering Shield keeps them safe. Razorbacks are flimsy in that practically any roll on the damage chart silences them for at least a turn.

jmurph wrote:Since the LC/TL-Plas seems so popular, how do you guys model it?

I am in the process of making some open topped mini-turrets from sentinel cabs and plasticard. It looks like a marine can sit in there and I have the LC mounted higher on one side and the plasma up front kind where the marine is firing it from the cab sort of like the rhino stormbolter.

I used the simple conversion in this picture:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/85617-.html

All you need is a couple of plasma guns (you can bitz order metal ones from GW if you don't have extras around) and the lascannon turret. You just saw the lascannon barrels off the lascannon turret, replace them with the plasma guns. Then you cut the muzzle off one of the lascannon barrels, attach it to the back of the other barrel, and jam it between. Easy peasy.

The way i did it was get some plasma guns from GW there like 5 for 8 dollars and then only put one lascannon in the slot on the right side (doest matter which side) and then two plasma guns glued together on the other. Then i cut the power cord thats on the lascannon i didnt use off and put that under the two plasma guns to make it symmetrical with the power cord on the lascannon i modeled. Its easy and it looks like the turret was supposed to look that way.

I'm playing with a Librarian Behind the razorback, for his psychic hood

You can use his hood from inside the razorback and it extends its radius slightly since you measure from the edge of the transport.

^ True Story.
Thank Eldar for this one.

TL Assault Cannons on all my SW Razors. IMO, they compliment the mid-range oriented, SW army, perfectly.

This Razor Back is armed with a twin auto cannon turret, pintle mounted twin or hvy bolter, hull mounted hvy bolter,havoc missile launcher, hunter killer missile and smoke launchers, all this was ment for my traitor guard but now must use them as predators darn....GW keeps changing codex's every 3 - 5 yrs.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Well if you're going to reserve the word "melta" to only mean shots at half range, then I need another word to describe what I'm talking about since I'm talking about shots at any range the melta weapon can reach. Let's call it "zorgadiddle" for the purposes of that discussion and define it as "any shot from a weapon with the melta rule out to its maximum range."

I don't know why you wouldn't just say its "in range" of your weapon. Saying melta range implies you are using a the melta rule, when you just get the AP1.
edit: I guess what I'm getting at here is that you are over-generalizing weaponry with the melta rule. Range is an issue that is being debated, and the range of these weapons varies. Please be specific about which weapon you are talking about in the future. That way you can say,for example, in "range of the Multimelta" or in "melta range of the multimelta".

Flavius Infernus wrote:I agree that an assault cannon is marginally more effective than a zorgadiddle or lascannon shot at damaging vehicles. But the difference vs. AR11-12 (where most transports are) are very small, and increasingly small against AR13-14. So I don't think that I can agree that the probability of a kill is "high" for an assault cannon while it is "not high" for a weapon that is only slightly less effective. Doing the numbers is beyond my math skills, because of the way that AP1 can kill on a glance, but my feeling from gameplay is that a zorgadiddle is comparable to a lascannon in its ability to kill things up through about AR12 without the half-range bonus.

I never said the probability was high, just higher than the S8 single shot (even AP1) when you don't get melta. Your debating tactic seems centered around inferring extremes from any statement I make. I said it was "more likely", not that the probability of a kill is "high". You used quotes like you were quoting me, but I didn't say that at all.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Plus, if you factor in the AP1, a zorgadiddle has a 5/6 chance of stopping any vehicle it penetrates (vital for slowing transports), is capable of destroying a target on a glancing hit, and kills open-topped vehicles on a 3+. Half range is just frosting on the cake.

When did this thread turn into a debate about the relative strengths of the assault cannon and melta weaponry? All I'm saying is that the assault cannon razorback is a great tool in the correct army. You are discounting it completely as if the existance of melta weaponry makes the assault cannon obsolete. I run a mix of weaponry in my C:SM chapter from multimelta/hf speeders, assaultcannon razorbacks, ML tacticals in rhinos and typhoons, and autocannon/lascannon predators.

Combining different weaponry in a way that gives redundancy for all roles while presenting a multitude of threats is the key to what makes it work for me. I'm taking the following 1500 point list to a 6 round tourny this weekend. It has 2 razorbacks which both use TL assault cannons.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/299705.page#1664490

I'll report back to this thread on how the assbacks perform.

Generally I use the Heavy Bolter for cheap fire support.

However... I just used an assault cannon RB to great effect last night versus tyranids, so I will definitely look at them again.

I also want to use the multi-melta razorback because it is only a 5 point upgrade (go go gadget Imperial Armour 2).

Is the MM upgrade TL? If it is then that is a steal.

LordWynne wrote:This Razor Back is armed with a twin auto cannon turret, pintle mounted twin or hvy bolter, hull mounted hvy bolter,havoc missile launcher, hunter killer missile and smoke launchers, all this was ment for my traitor guard but now must use them as predators darn....GW keeps changing codex's every 3 - 5 yrs.

What scale is the Bradley hull?

Scale is 1/35th scale, I like is because its more of scale to the figs say if its a Razorback it looks like it can hold 5 figs. If you take off the turret its a rhino that looks like it can hold 10 space marines. My old rhino's look kinda small to barley hold a driver and 3-5 figures I always hated that.

Wow im so putting the libby inside a razorback now didnt even think about that... and i dont believe the MM is TL

LordWynne wrote:This Razor Back is armed with a twin auto cannon turret, pintle mounted twin or hvy bolter, hull mounted hvy bolter,havoc missile launcher, hunter killer missile and smoke launchers, all this was ment for my traitor guard but now must use them as predators darn....GW keeps changing codex's every 3 - 5 yrs.

At least finish painting it perhaps?

Razorbacks any weapon upgrade nearly doubles the cost. I play Heavy Bolters on all my space wolves examples.

I also like lasplas too and I have a set of magnetic ones for my crimson fists with all the options, the only ones I play are heavy bolters and lasplas.

Flamers being a COSTED upgrade for razorbacks is completely absurd.

LordWynne wrote:Scale is 1/35th scale, I like is because its more of scale to the figs say if its a Razorback it looks like it can hold 5 figs. If you take off the turret its a rhino that looks like it can hold 10 space marines. My old rhino's look kinda small to barley hold a driver and 3-5 figures I always hated that.

I'm with you on that.