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chowderhead13 wrote:Turn the starfish into a deathstar, and I'll love this whole shebang.

The package of starfish -did- come with some larger ones that I have no idea what to do with...hmm...

I was gonna say why not piranaha for ripper swarms? but then i saw your pic of the star fish.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:I was gonna say why not piranaha for ripper swarms? but then i saw your pic of the star fish.

Mostly because they're much more difficult to do, and I found starfish cheap.

Do they not look good?

Also, I'm tending to keep the things that swim quickly to represent fliers. I'll work on some sort of Piranhas for Sky Slashers (Rippers with wings).

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:I was gonna say why not piranaha for ripper swarms? but then i saw your pic of the star fish.

Mostly because they're much more difficult to do, and I found starfish cheap.

Do they not look good?

Also, I'm tending to keep the things that swim quickly to represent fliers. I'll work on some sort of Piranhas for Sky Slashers (Rippers with wings).

They look fine, just noot my cup of tea, i imagined something a little more aggressive looking is all.
Are you doing anything with screamers of tzeench models?

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:Are you doing anything with screamers of tzeench models?

I seriously considered using those, very mildly converted, for my gargoyle/mantas. But I felt like it was kind of a cop-out. Plus, they're damn expensive.
I may still do something with that.
I think it depends on how good I get at using Greenstuff.


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You know, it's a shame Leviathan and Kraken are both taken, they'd make great Hive Fleet names for this...

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:Are you doing anything with screamers of tzeench models?

I seriously considered using those, very mildly converted, for my gargoyle/mantas. But I felt like it was kind of a cop-out. Plus, they're damn expensive.
I may still do something with that.
I think it depends on how good I get at using Greenstuff.


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You know, it's a shame Leviathan and Kraken are both taken, they'd make great Hive Fleet names for this...

When i suggested that i was imagining sawing the screamer in half length wise and maybe quartering it depending on how it hangs. Use A carnifex torso and join the screamer bits to the fex. Giving it a kinda wing look but allowing the really cool armor on the back to show. Green stuffing the gaps of course. Just an idea, the screamer is likely way to big for this though. been a while since ive actually seem one. And ive never seen one nest to a carnie. Maybe a tyranid warrior would be a better size fit for the screamer bits.
Dunno but its an idea.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:When i suggested that i was imagining sawing the screamer in half length wise and maybe quartering it depending on how it hangs. Use A carnifex torso and join the screamer bits to the fex. Giving it a kinda wing look but allowing the really cool armor on the back to show. Green stuffing the gaps of course. Just an idea, the screamer is likely way to big for this though. been a while since ive actually seem one. And ive never seen one nest to a carnie. Maybe a tyranid warrior would be a better size fit for the screamer bits.
Dunno but its an idea.

Not that I really ever plan on using Harpies ever, but that could work for a Harpy if I do it right...

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:When i suggested that i was imagining sawing the screamer in half length wise and maybe quartering it depending on how it hangs. Use A carnifex torso and join the screamer bits to the fex. Giving it a kinda wing look but allowing the really cool armor on the back to show. Green stuffing the gaps of course. Just an idea, the screamer is likely way to big for this though. been a while since ive actually seem one. And ive never seen one nest to a carnie. Maybe a tyranid warrior would be a better size fit for the screamer bits.
Dunno but its an idea.

Not that I really ever plan on using Harpies ever, but that could work for a Harpy if I do it right...

One more idea that occured to me was, using green stuff to make webbing between the claws and under arms of Gene stealers. maybe add a dorsal fin, nice and simple shapes.
I will likely have more ideas. I hope they help.
And yes it is unfortunate that Leviathan and Kraken are names are already taken, but why not a splinter fleet? Or perhaps a smaller hive fleet like " Megalodon" or " Anenomie"
Just ideas, like i said ill likely have more. let me know if i am just going overboard, with the ideas.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:One more idea that occured to me was, using green stuff to make webbing between the claws and under arms of Gene stealers. maybe add a dorsal fin, nice and simple shapes.
I will likely have more ideas. I hope they help.
And yes it is unfortunate that Leviathan and Kraken are names are already taken, but why not a splinter fleet? Or perhaps a smaller hive fleet like " Megalodon" or " Anenomie"
Just ideas, like i said ill likely have more. let me know if i am just going overboard, with the ideas.

The Genestealers are getting their upper claws (I'm using the old blue plastic ones) modified to be more like claw claws. But the webbing sounds like it may be good for the other places. Have a lot more planned for them, though. I'll do what I had in mind, and then see what looks like it'll look good from there.

Fleets tend to be named for mythological creatures. But perhaps I can find something else good.

And nono, not at all! I'm happy for the ideas, even if I don't use all of them, and am glad other people are excited about this.

You should make an Old Gregg model and use it as a lictor...

old greg lictor....

*shudder*

See! He instills fear...and a little ackwardness!

Make a Kraken (or a few) like in Black Tide

Trygons could be like underwater chinese dragons. Anyone who's played metroid fusion knows about that superspeed water dragon...That's what I'd imagine

Okies
Glad I can help then. As my brain randomly picks up bits and throws them together Ill post them here for you.
I feel another one coming soon........

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Make a Kraken (or a few) like in Black Tide

Had this sort of idea for Trygons...with the classical kraken look, that is; I've not read Black Tide, care to explain a bit?


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Also, I need an opinion; should I have a standardized color scheme for this fleet, or go with colors appropriate to each organism (red crabs, grey mantas, etc)

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Make a Kraken (or a few) like in Black Tide

Had this sort of idea for Trygons...with the classical kraken look, that is; I've not read Black Tide, care to explain a bit?


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Also, I need an opinion; should I have a standardized color scheme for this fleet, or go with colors appropriate to each organism (red crabs, grey mantas, etc)

They should all be dark grey/matte black. Its dark under the sea

And Black Tide is a Blood Angels novel. I won't spoil it, but the team eventually lands on a tyranid infested planet, and the 'nids have taken to the sea. The Carnifexs (I believe) mutated into a kraken form. And it would be like a classical kraken, but with barbs on everything.

Interesting. I like it. Kind of a shame they thought up something like this before I did, but at least now I know there's an in-universe precedent.


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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:If this plan goes through to completion, I want to play against your army.
I've entertained more then a few thoughts of making an Imperial Guard water themed army. Maybe thi thread'll give me some ideas.

Dammit. Now you have me thinking about this.
While the troops may be a bit boring/odd (rebreathers on everyone? spearguns instead of lasguns?), think of all the interesting Tank conversions. Hell, even Sentinels would let you get really creative.
You should totally go for it.

Ripper swarms were eels in the book btw,
Maybe you can use the starfish as something else, and make greenstuff eels.
That would be wicked cool

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Ripper swarms were eels in the book btw,
Maybe you can use the starfish as something else, and make greenstuff eels.
That would be wicked cool

I need a lot more practice with greenstuff before I can do that, but I'll put it on my list.

I dunno if youll like this idea or not but, cover your bases in Limbs and heads. Cut them so that they appear to be coming out of the base. Paint to flavor and cover the whole thing in layers of watered down glue to make it look shiney ad wet. So Itll look like your models are either swimming or crawling out of the water.
Just a thought.

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:I dunno if youll like this idea or not but, cover your bases in Limbs and heads. Cut them so that they appear to be coming out of the base. Paint to flavor and cover the whole thing in layers of watered down glue to make it look shiney ad wet. So Itll look like your models are either swimming or crawling out of the water.
Just a thought.

Not a bad idea. I think I'll do something similar for a few models.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Jay-Man McDougall wrote:I dunno if youll like this idea or not but, cover your bases in Limbs and heads. Cut them so that they appear to be coming out of the base. Paint to flavor and cover the whole thing in layers of watered down glue to make it look shiney ad wet. So Itll look like your models are either swimming or crawling out of the water.
Just a thought.

Not a bad idea. I think I'll do something similar for a few models.

be easy to do too, wouldnt have to spend near as much time on conversions, just cut, glue, green and paint. I like short cuts and easy fixs. After reading Sersi's thread today Im rather humbled and unwilling to take a step into the modeling world LOL. Sersi makes it looks so fantastic. I might try my hand a basing some more though.

Well, you'll never get even close to his level if you don't try at all.
Or some other crap that sounds like it belongs on a Hallmark card.
In any case, I suggest trying to not be intimidated. Showing myself to be a horrible hypocrite.

I like the chinese water dragon idea for the trygon, though be sure to give all these nids legs so their not screwed on land.

I have a suggestion for your Trygon. Use the Trygon model, and give it a large tail fin (shark or whale shaped), give it a dorsal fin (an extention to it's back armour) and atempt to modify the position of the creature to make it look like it is swimming. In the fluff in the nid codex it mentions that during the invasion of Tyran that the Tyranids swam in the oceans (devouring the native hostile sea-creatures). I think Trygons were mentioned as having been able to swim as well as tunnel.

Smaller creatures would go under bigger adaptive changes so changing their form almost entirely makes sense. However I would imagine that larger creatures would go under subtle changes (webbed feet, fins, improved libs to be more suitted for swimming, larger mouth's for taking in more food etc.) Hive fleet Gorgon is an example of where the smaller nid's recieve most of the adaptions. Your Angler Fish (Mawloc) should still have a serpentine armoured tail

This is only my interpretaion so feel free to use the bits you agree with and ignore the points you don't.

Good luck with this cool project.

Yours

Gathering Storm

I figure most of them will slither in some way while on land. And quite a few of them are bottom-scuttlers like crabs. Most of the 'swimming' models are those that would fly in-game.


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Appreciated, 'Storm.
And yeah, most of the big creatures (with the exception of Tervigons and Tyranofexes, due to lack of models) are going to stay pretty close to where they were.
For instance, my Trygon, I believe, is going to end up as some sort of Hydra (the sea creature, not the Lernean beast)/Kraken sort of thing. Tentacles for arms (still bladed, of course), around the mouth for grasping prey, etc, but it's using almost the entirety of the Trygon model (if likely reposed a bit).


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Working on a Genestealer (yeah, I can't focus on one thing at a time), and finding it a bit difficult to model. Is it just me, or is the plastic used for the old Space Hulk Genestealers different than the standard plastic they use? It seems harder to work.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
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Appreciated, 'Storm.
And yeah, most of the big creatures (with the exception of Tervigons and Tyranofexes, due to lack of models) are going to stay pretty close to where they were.
For instance, my Trygon, I believe, is going to end up as some sort of Hydra (the sea creature, not the Lernean beast)/Kraken sort of thing. Tentacles for arms (still bladed, of course), around the mouth for grasping prey, etc, but it's using almost the entirety of the Trygon model (if likely reposed a bit).

You probably don't need to give it tentacles for arms, the arms it comes with are pretty neat (I own a Trygon). I really like the idea of it being like a Hydra. Maybe you could have an unlucky SM trapped in its jaws.hehehehe. The Trygon/Mawloc kit is very versitile so have fun with your converting.

Gathering Storm wrote:You probably don't need to give it tentacles for arms, the arms it comes with are pretty neat (I own a Trygon). I really like the idea of it being like a Hydra. Maybe you could have an unlucky SM trapped in its jaws.hehehehe.

They are indeed. Wanted to try for something a bit more unique, though. Perhaps I'll do some kind of hybrid between scything talons and tentacles. Or just add tentacles elsewhere. Hmm...

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:

Gathering Storm wrote:You probably don't need to give it tentacles for arms, the arms it comes with are pretty neat (I own a Trygon). I really like the idea of it being like a Hydra. Maybe you could have an unlucky SM trapped in its jaws.hehehehe.

They are indeed. Wanted to try for something a bit more unique, though. Perhaps I'll do some kind of hybrid between scything talons and tentacles. Or just add tentacles elsewhere. Hmm...

Lovely big feeder tentecales ensnaring a Space Smurf...