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Sanct
have you noticed that it's always you who starts these conversations? I don't nit pick your posts, I dont address initial comments to you, I pretty much dont talk to you unless you pick a bone with something I say.

Look if I'm not giving you the answers you like then stop doing it. But I'm not going to write you detailed explanations when I can already see your answer coming: "well actually in this one weird odd ball case the choice that I advocated, while totally silly 90% of the time, actually doesnt suck that bad." I mean if you want to have that conversation with someone else god bless. I'm just not interested in going back and forth with you anymore. I know what you're going to say before you do. Sorry if that hurts your precious sensibilities.
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I think logan is a good special character too. I don't think he makes much sense in a drop pod with long fangs because without his bodyguard he's just a terminator with 3 wounds and a 4++ save. Well he's only got 6 space marines in power armor protecting him. Sorry but that's just not that hard to get rid of. If they drift out of cover 1 shot from a leman russ or vindicator and they're done for. Then again they may not be able to drop in cover *and* have a good shot at the armored targets they're looking for. It's fair to assume that they can do one or the other but not both.

If you drop him in with the long fangs you're suiciding 500+ points for the chance, not the certainty, the chance, to kill 2 armored targets. (sanct is wrong about 6 targets, they can only split their fire two ways. page 28 of the space wolves codex.). What's more likely to happen here is that, if the drop pod doesn't scatter away from the armored targets, the multi meltas will kill 1 at most (assume cover, 50% of the shots are anulled.) What's worse about this option is that, let's say it's spectacularly successful the 1st time you use it. A good player will adapt and start screening his armored units to prevent this from happening again. Against that opponent it's a 1 time gimmick. Against a bad player you don't need quirky tactics like this; you can just beat him strait up.

I don't think you should be so dismissive of the received wisdom about these codices. It's more than flavor of the month. It's the result of thousands of games played by thousands of people, using the same rule sets and the same scenarios. It's pretty rare that something genuinely new will come out without some change in the rule set (a new codex comes out, for instance) Sorry but most new ideas are bad ideas. Ocassionally that won't be the case. But only every once in a while.

If I'm dismissive of sanct it's because I've done this before: explained myself exactly as I'm explaining myself now and he will pretty reliably come back with: "well you know it all depends...their roles are different...it's all shades of grey." that's a waste of time and I told him so. If someone I don't know or someone I respect asks my opinion I'll give it in as much detail as they want. They don't have to agree - but I do expect them to have something substantive to say, else why am I talking to them? But with sanct no. It's a waste of time pure and simple.
AF

I 'start' these because you are offering questionable advice that are oversimplified or are ignoring important aspects or alternatives.

I offer a different point of view. If you don't want to respond, you don't have to.

Best thing is to let the OP decide what is useful or not. I'm asking questions because your advice is just 'out' there for me, so I'm trying to maybe learn a few things from you.
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(sanct is wrong about 6 targets, they can only split their fire two ways. page 28 of the space wolves codex.)

You are incorrect, I said up to 6 targets in TWO squadrons. Please read it again to confirm that for yourself.

Sanct. These conversations are just too tedious for words. Ignore. AF

Sanctjud wrote:Drop podding LF coming in with 5 MM w/ Logan splitting fire can kill up to 5 Leman Russes in 2 squadrons, or 2 LRs, a bunch of other AV threats.
In addition, it's anot about points made back or spent. It's what you do with them. And, if they accomplish what you want of them then there is nothing 'wrong' with them

AbaddonFidelis wrote:If you drop him in with the long fangs you're suiciding 500+ points for the chance, not the certainty, the chance, to kill 2 armored targets. (sanct is wrong about 6 targets, they can only split their fire two ways. page 28 of the space wolves codex.)

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Sanct. These conversations are just too tedious for words. Ignore. AF