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Again kanluwen , i love your attitude of you think the limited amount of "types" of players you encounters entitles you to run your mouth as if your opinion is worth anything.

What you need to realize is , the terms used by Slarg232 originally applies to a wide spectrum of stereotyped players. In other words...

It doesnt make you wrong , it doesnt make slarg232 wrong , it doesnt make me wrong.

It just means on the spectrum of those types you might be looking at the green color while slarg232 might be looking at orange while im looking at blue.

The only issue , again with you always , is that you insist on looking at the part of spectrum with your near sightedness at the same time telling us the other colors doesnt exist.

So , nope nice try though.

LunaHound wrote:Again kanluwen , i love your attitude of you think the limited amount of "types" of players you encounters entitles you to run your mouth as if your opinion is worth anything.

What you need to realize is , the terms used by Slarg232 originally applied to a wide spectrum of stereotyped players. In other words...

It doesn't make you wrong , it doesn't make slarg232 wrong , it doesn't make me wrong.

It just means on the spectrum of those types you might be looking at the green color while slarg232 might be looking at orange while im looking at blue.

The only issue , again with you always , is that you insist on looking at the part of spectrum with your nearsightedness at the same time telling us the other colors doesn't exist.

So , nope nice try though.

So, since you're apparently Mistress of the Universe and Comprehensive Reading--you'd realize that the usage of the term "can" means that it's something that does exist.

And actually, it does make you wrong as you so wonderfully brought up that "1s and 3s cannot also be 2s". I brought up a point of fact that it can in fact, exist.

I played with a fantastic group of people who would fall under the categories of 3 and 2 at the same time--simply because we had no patience for people who didn't listen. You got one chance, and if you screwed the pooch by not paying attention, you were out.

And having been in a top tier (raiding and PvP wise) guild for WoW, which consisted of a large cadre of casual players...I do get to run my mouth off on the subject, because I've experienced both ends of the spectrum.

It's with a definitive authority that I can say this:

Every "Elitist" player isn't a snobby douche as your OP and title suggests.
They're people who, much like you or I, may not like being randomly approached by people they don't know while they're in the midst of doing something.
They also don't like having their time wasted, just like anyone does not appreciate it, when playing a game. You have to remember that you are not the center of your group. You have 4/9/24 other players with you, who pay the same amount of money as you and have put in just as much time and effort into their character.

Elite != Elitist

Every "Elitist" player isn't a snobby douche as your OP and title suggests.

Isnt that interesting , my OP nor my title suggested anything.

They're people who, much like you or I, may not like being randomly approached by people they don't know while they're in the midst of doing something.
They also don't like having their time wasted, just like anyone does not appreciate it, when playing a game. You have to remember that you are not the center of your group. You have 4/9/24 other players with you, who pay the same amount of money as you and have put in just as much time and effort into their character.

Again , the spectrum encompass different types. I have no idea why you keep on insisting on bringing certain types up .
You are diving into your own examples of types of player you associate which i had no part of.

TL;DR

There are the types of players you know and you are currently talking to me about.
and
There are the types of players that I know , and for example slarg232 knows that we were talking about.

Hence the thread is asking about the type IM asking about ( which slarg232 get ) , not yours.

Sorry, but read your own thread.

"Does being 'Elite' in MMO community require snobby douche attitude as well?"

The answer is no. Just like you don't have to be from the United States to be an American citizen.

Kanluwen wrote:Sorry, but read your own thread.

"Does being 'Elite' in MMO community require snobby douche attitude as well?"

The answer is no. Just like you don't have to be from the United States to be an American citizen.

I cant believe this , you dont know sarcasm when you see one?

In that case im done talking with you. Since you always miss my points.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Sorry, but read your own thread.

"Does being 'Elite' in MMO community require snobby douche attitude as well?"

The answer is no. Just like you don't have to be from the United States to be an American citizen.

I cant believe this , you dont know sarcasm when you see one?

In that case im done talking with you. Since you always miss my points.

Now just you hold on a minute. There is no obvious sarcasm in your post. I can understand not being able to convey it well because english isn't your primary language, but don't chew out Kanluwen for not seeing it.

Chill out.

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Sorry, but read your own thread.

"Does being 'Elite' in MMO community require snobby douche attitude as well?"

The answer is no. Just like you don't have to be from the United States to be an American citizen.

I can't believe this , you don't know sarcasm when you see it?

In that case I'm done talking with you. Since you always miss my points.

Maybe try actually having a point sometime. I hear that does wonders for conversations.

Also:
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the Internet. Sarcasm is something that is subtle, and requires observing body language and vocal inflection.

Neither of which are applicable on the Internet.

Maybe try actually having a point sometime. I hear that does wonders for conversations.

The point is simple and i will repeat myself again.
My point is " lots of *elite* players are snobby douches with sometimes nothing really to back them up with " dunno , maybe half delusional? or afk pvp gears with high gear score? possibility = many.
Your point is " lots of elite player are not douches , or maybe they are seen as douches but actually have valid reasons "
My point is " we arnt talking about the type of *misunderstood elitists "
You: "we'll talk about which ever type i feel like "

You're not making any kind of coherent point, at all. You're all over the place.

Also:
AFKing PvP gears won't get you a "high gear score", nor will it matter if you have a high gear score when PvPing. Gearscore does nothing to affect your Honor points, etc.

Kanluwen wrote:You're not making any kind of coherent point, at all. You're all over the place.

Also:
AFKing PvP gears won't get you a "high gear score", nor will it matter if you have a high gear score when PvPing. Gearscore does nothing to affect your Honor points, etc.

Ok listen , you really really suck at connecting the dots , and there are many people that agrees to this.
I am beyond frustrated of why you cannot connect them , some people claim you are trolling via "obtuse" , i dont know whats wrong so im not going to guess.

AFKing Battle Ground can earn better Gear Score as dungeon emblems are lvl 232 while lots of the Honor gears are lvl 257 ( more or less cant remember exact number )
This is important to the people that tries to jump into higher lvl raids that only accepts the players only base on Gear Score.

If they succeed into melding into the raid with PVP Gear score gear , well their plan worked. Now they can obtain even higher lvl gear.

In other words. Heroics and their gear can only get you so far. Then you depend on
spending your Emblem of Triumph // Emblem of Frost // or you have a guild that helps you gear End Game gears.

Emblem of Triumph can only get you gears thats lvl 232 and 245 (totals to around 4800 ) , thats not enough to get you into an end game raid when the minimal GS required is atleast 5500 ( way not enough )
then you have Frost Gears / WG gears , which takes way too long even with weekly / daily / Winter Grasp


Soooooooooo here is where the PVP gear comes in ( which you dont seem to understand ). The high end honor PVP gear are extremely high in Gear Score , which means you can "plug" in pieces of Honor Points Gears
to up your Gear Score right away to meet the 5500 GS requirement.

Therefor , congrats. You just tricked the raid leader that you have the GS as if you have actually raided end game dungeons and you'll be promptly accepted to raid the dungeon ( for real this time to earn some real end game gear ) Instead of been weeded out like normal people that is forced to pick up pieces here and there if they are lucky to be accepted into end game dungeons ( at all )



Oh cheese . please dont tell me to chill out. Because its ironic really. I dont think you know this but... there is reason why kanluwen was patronizingly applauding me that i can "copy and paste"
Thats right cheese , the tone i use to reply to kanluwen was the tone he used on others. I copy pasted what he wrote :3
Because you know , many people really really dislike his attitude , and the mods didnt give him his long deserved vacation either.
So whats a better ( and a fair ) way , by reminding him thats how he is to others , by copy pasting his own sentences :'o
And cheese , i am chill atm , i have been chill ever since i heard this months ago :

Parents care not if something is fair or right , they only care for quietness.

If you're raiding with PvP gear on, you're raiding with crummy people who are obsessed with just gear score.

You're going to be a completely useless part of the raid, doing basically no damage nor any kind of decent healing and you'd be a friggin' terrible tank if you were trying to fill that role.

Gearscore is something really terrible people are obsessed with for PUG raids. The whole theory being exactly what you said--"the higher the gearscore, the more L337 the player".

Of course that doesn't take into consideration people wearing PvP gear, now does it? And right there is where you'll find the biggest difference between "L337" players and actual "Elite" players.

"L337" players only care about the "zomg L337 3p1x!" in every slot--"Elite" players will look to see if you have things gemmed and enchanted properly, alongside of actually not wearing PvP gear.

Sigh... seems like you havnt bothered reading what i wrote on how most people gear up.
You really need to stop assuming your personal experience speaks for the rest of the millions of WoW players , this attitude of yours is really tiring.
Keep it up and i wont bother responding to anything you say again , its just stupid.

If you're raiding with PvP gear on, you're raiding with crummy people who are obsessed with just gear score.

Well guess what? with the implementation of cross server PUG ( for the none WoW players , it means Pick up group / random assembled dungeon groups taken from different servers to save time ) , and the convenience of PUG
means many times you are raiding with people you dont really know. Pretty much strangers. Now if they are strangers , and you have never seen how they play , what other method can there be to attempt to gauge
their strength? Sadly , its looking at the Gear Score.

You're going to be a completely useless part of the raid, doing basically no damage nor any kind of decent healing and you'd be a friggin' terrible tank if you were trying to fill that role.

Assuming that no one "magically" gets their gear out of thin air , like i mentioned earlier , its either choosing between a lvl 264 PVP gear vs Trimph lvl 232 or even lower lvl 200 gear.
I'll let you figure out the math yourself which has better stats.

Gearscore is something really terrible people are obsessed with for PUG raids. The whole theory being exactly what you said--"the higher the gearscore, the more L337 the player".

? The only thing gearscore is good for is good for showing stranger that doesnt know you , that you might have been putting in effort. And skill != effort.

Of course that doesn't take into consideration people wearing PvP gear, now does it? And right there is where you'll find the biggest difference between "L337" players and actual "Elite" players.

"L337" players only care about the "zomg L337 3p1x!" in every slot--"Elite" players will look to see if you have things gemmed and enchanted properly, alongside of actually not wearing PvP gear.

Like i mentioned ever since i first bothered to respond to your post. You are only listing a very narrow spectrum of a type of player.

Basically from the vibe so far from the whole debate between us, i see something very obvious.
You have been basing this whole thread as if its talking about players like "you" or perhaps , you looked at it if it was actually about you.
Well kan , WoW is a mmorpg not a rpg , so im not going to ignore the other million other players.
So no i dont want to continue on any discussion with you till you stop that narrow sightedness you have.

LunaHound wrote:Sigh... seems like you havnt bothered reading what i wrote on how most people gear up.
You really need to stop assuming your personal experience speaks for the rest of the millions of WoW players , this attitude of yours is really tiring.
Keep it up and i wont bother responding to anything you say again , its just stupid.

You said that almost three posts ago.

LunaHound wrote:

If you're raiding with PvP gear on, you're raiding with crummy people who are obsessed with just gear score.

Well guess what? with the implementation of cross server PUG ( for the none WoW players , it means Pick up group / random assembled dungeon groups taken from different servers to save time ) , and the convenience of PUG
means many times you are raiding with people you dont really know. Pretty much strangers. Now if they are strangers , and you have never seen how they play , what other method can there be to attempt to gauge
their strength? Sadly , its looking at the Gear Score.

Uh no, actually. It's looking at their spec and their enchants/gemming. Those say a lot about people's grasp on game mechanics.

LunaHound wrote:

You're going to be a completely useless part of the raid, doing basically no damage nor any kind of decent healing and you'd be a friggin' terrible tank if you were trying to fill that role.

Assuming that no one "magically" gets their gear out of thin air , like i mentioned earlier , its either choosing between a lvl 264 PVP gear vs Triumph lvl 232 or even lower lvl 200 gear.
I'll let you figure out the math yourself which has better stats.

The gear that isn't intended for PvP is better for raids.

This isn't hard to comprehend.

LunaHound wrote:

Gearscore is something really terrible people are obsessed with for PUG raids. The whole theory being exactly what you said--"the higher the gearscore, the more L337 the player".

? The only thing gearscore is good for is good for showing stranger that doesn't know you , that you might have been putting in effort. And skill != effort.

Except that gearscore is a good indicator also of if the person is just farming Honor...which actually doesn't take any effort. Doing heroics and getting Badge gear does.

LunaHound wrote:

Of course that doesn't take into consideration people wearing PvP gear, now does it? And right there is where you'll find the biggest difference between "L337" players and actual "Elite" players.

"L337" players only care about the "zomg L337 3p1x!" in every slot--"Elite" players will look to see if you have things gemmed and enchanted properly, alongside of actually not wearing PvP gear.

Like i mentioned ever since i first bothered to respond to your post. You are only listing a very narrow spectrum of a type of player.

I'm not "listing" anything. I'm telling you the difference between players who are actually worth playing with, versus the kinds of people who are insistent that they can DPS with a sword and shield or that pets having Growl on is acceptable.

Basically from the vibe so far from the whole debate between us, I see something very obvious.
You have been basing this whole thread as if its talking about players like "you" or perhaps , you looked at it if it was actually about you.
Well kan , WoW is a mmorpg not a rpg , so im not going to ignore the other million of players.
So no I don't want to continue on any discussion with you till you stop that narrow sightedness you have.

You do realize that out of those "other millions of players", the vast majority are people who play very similar to how I did, right?

They don't want to be in a dungeon with the superspecial snowflake players. They want to be in there with the people who actually have an inkling as to what they're doing, and who can take criticism of their characters and playstyles without freaking out like they're a scorned spouse.

Kanluwen wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Sigh... seems like you havnt bothered reading what i wrote on how most people gear up.
You really need to stop assuming your personal experience speaks for the rest of the millions of WoW players , this attitude of yours is really tiring.
Keep it up and i wont bother responding to anything you say again , its just stupid.

You said that almost three posts ago.
Yet im compelled to reply because thats politeness ( and you , sometime you dont bother replying and tell me im not worth replying , NICE )

LunaHound wrote:

If you're raiding with PvP gear on, you're raiding with crummy people who are obsessed with just gear score.

Well guess what? with the implementation of cross server PUG ( for the none WoW players , it means Pick up group / random assembled dungeon groups taken from different servers to save time ) , and the convenience of PUG
means many times you are raiding with people you dont really know. Pretty much strangers. Now if they are strangers , and you have never seen how they play , what other method can there be to attempt to gauge
their strength? Sadly , its looking at the Gear Score.

Uh no, actually. It's looking at their spec and their enchants/gemming. Those say a lot about people's grasp on game mechanics.
Again , such a narrow view on things. Specs can be copied , enchants and gemming can be copied. SAYS NOTHING

LunaHound wrote:

You're going to be a completely useless part of the raid, doing basically no damage nor any kind of decent healing and you'd be a friggin' terrible tank if you were trying to fill that role.

Assuming that no one "magically" gets their gear out of thin air , like i mentioned earlier , its either choosing between a lvl 264 PVP gear vs Triumph lvl 232 or even lower lvl 200 gear.
I'll let you figure out the math yourself which has better stats.

The gear that isn't intended for PvP is better for raids.
Have you ever bothered to comprehend anything i said so far? Do the math , its really not that hard. Compare the emblem gears to high tier pvp gears. Can seriously not see it?

This isn't hard to comprehend.

LunaHound wrote:

Gearscore is something really terrible people are obsessed with for PUG raids. The whole theory being exactly what you said--"the higher the gearscore, the more L337 the player".

? The only thing gearscore is good for is good for showing stranger that doesn't know you , that you might have been putting in effort. And skill != effort.

Except that gearscore is a good indicator also of if the person is just farming Honor...which actually doesn't take any effort. Doing heroics and getting Badge gear does.

LunaHound wrote:

Of course that doesn't take into consideration people wearing PvP gear, now does it? And right there is where you'll find the biggest difference between "L337" players and actual "Elite" players.

"L337" players only care about the "zomg L337 3p1x!" in every slot--"Elite" players will look to see if you have things gemmed and enchanted properly, alongside of actually not wearing PvP gear.

Like i mentioned ever since i first bothered to respond to your post. You are only listing a very narrow spectrum of a type of player.

I'm not "listing" anything. I'm telling you the difference between players who are actually worth playing with, versus the kinds of people who are insistent that they can DPS with a sword and shield or that pets having Growl on is acceptable.

Basically from the vibe so far from the whole debate between us, I see something very obvious.
You have been basing this whole thread as if its talking about players like "you" or perhaps , you looked at it if it was actually about you.
Well kan , WoW is a mmorpg not a rpg , so im not going to ignore the other million of players.
So no I don't want to continue on any discussion with you till you stop that narrow sightedness you have.

You do realize that out of those "other millions of players", the vast majority are people who play very similar to how I did, right?
Thats your very narrow minded opinion , which you are entitled to as always rofl

They don't want to be in a dungeon with the superspecial snowflake players. They want to be in there with the people who actually have an inkling as to what they're doing, and who can take criticism of their characters and playstyles without freaking out like they're a scorned spouse.

No one wants to be in the same shoes , whats your point

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